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Finally got a couple pics...these little guys are quick and chowed down on egg yolk today! Even the one that was only about 14 hours old, pigged out!
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So cute!! :love
 
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Ruby, don't go PM re: shipped eggs.  We're all here to learn, and can benefit from an open ended conversation if you're up for it.  

I didn't want to bore everyone that wasn't into shipped eggs, but here goes...;)
I've done a lot of thinking about how shipped eggs suffer damage to some extent or another. The damage we can see that's not on a cellular level is the air cell. Almost all air cells have some damage. A little jiggle, a big giggle, or full detachment. We want to stabilize that air cell. Often, it's been assumed that drying the air cell down will stabilize it (By running dry). But I'm thinking this is not working and that's why they dry out in either crazy shapes, saddle shapes, sometimes down the side of the egg. Around day 12 a balloon sorta inflates inside the egg and takes over (Real scientific, right?), creating a firm air cell with whatever shape it gets. So we get solid air cells on day 12, pretty much regardless. I was thinking that higher humidity during the first week, maybe even till day 12-14, would allow the air cell to heal without growing the air cell rapidly and creating a lot of moisture lost too. Seems like a lot for an egg that's in shock from rough handling. For the first week, I ran 50% humidity (gasp!) and on day 7, the air cells looked normal. So I kept with it till day 12 but air cell growth had slowed down a lot but they looked great as far as being nice, round, firm circles all in the fat end of the egg, just not much bigger then day 7. Then I lowered humidity, only down to 40%, (that's what I was running dry) and waited till day 19 to lockdown. So maybe it would benefit the air cell to grow it slower in the beginning, while its trying to stabilize and heal itself and then if it needs more moisture loss, have it take place after day 12 of incubation. That's just my theory. I haven't found any research that has studied shipping and humidity. If anyone comes across anything related to both, please pass it along to me.


Yeah me too! Those have vaulted skulls!
 
Finally got a couple pics...these little guys are quick and chowed down on egg yolk today! Even the one that was only about 14 hours old, pigged out!



Awesome pics girl! Adorable!

I didn't want to bore everyone that wasn't into shipped eggs, but here goes...
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I've done a lot of thinking about how shipped eggs suffer damage to some extent or another. The damage we can see that's not on a cellular level is the air cell. Almost all air cells have some damage. A little jiggle, a big giggle, or full detachment. We want to stabilize that air cell. Often, it's been assumed that drying the air cell down will stabilize it (By running dry). But I'm thinking this is not working and that's why they dry out in either crazy shapes, saddle shapes, sometimes down the side of the egg. Around day 12 a balloon sorta inflates inside the egg and takes over (Real scientific, right?), creating a firm air cell with whatever shape it gets. So we get solid air cells on day 12, pretty much regardless. I was thinking that higher humidity during the first week, maybe even till day 12-14, would allow the air cell to heal without growing the air cell rapidly and creating a lot of moisture lost too. Seems like a lot for an egg that's in shock from rough handling. For the first week, I ran 50% humidity (gasp!) and on day 7, the air cells looked normal. So I kept with it till day 12 but air cell growth had slowed down a lot but they looked great as far as being nice, round, firm circles all in the fat end of the egg, just not much bigger then day 7. Then I lowered humidity, only down to 40%, (that's what I was running dry) and waited till day 19 to lockdown. So maybe it would benefit the air cell to grow it slower in the beginning, while its trying to stabilize and heal itself and then if it needs more moisture loss, have it take place after day 12 of incubation. That's just my theory. I haven't found any research that has studied shipping and humidity. If anyone comes across anything related to both, please pass it along to me.
Yeah me too! Those have vaulted skulls!
I would LOVE to see others try that with shipped eggs and get a cummulative assessment. It makes a lot of sense!
 
Awesome pics girl! Adorable!

I would LOVE to see others try that with shipped eggs and get a cummulative assessment. It makes a lot of sense!

It's all trial and error and keeping notes on previous hatches. I would love for someone else to try it too! Lol. I searched the Internet for anything written on the correlation between shipped eggs and humidity and couldn't find anything! So it would be interesting!
 
Since there's been a lot of talk about genetics here lately, does anyone know the genetic probabilities for breeding crested birds against non crested birds? I ask because these eggs my two broodies are sitting on should all be fathered by my spitzhauben roo. None of them are my spitz hen's eggs, but I was wondering what the possibility of the babies having the "top hat" are.
 
Thank you for validating my initial idea about a male marans to the Ameraucana females. Great help!


I forgot to include that for full olive eggs, you should breed the cross back to the Marans roo... also the other reason behind using the Marans for the roo... it is easier to go back to him than to go back to a hen...


Finally got a couple pics...these little guys are quick and chowed down on egg yolk today! Even the one that was only about 14 hours old, pigged out!
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Nice job, Ruby! Congrats...

As to the shipped eggs and humidity, did you only do bantam eggs in that or lf?
Btw, I don't do bantam eggs dry nor do I incubate them with lf...
 
Since there's been a lot of talk about genetics here lately, does anyone know the genetic probabilities for breeding crested birds against non crested birds?  I ask because these eggs my two broodies are sitting on should all be fathered by my spitzhauben roo. None of them are my spitz hen's eggs, but I was wondering what the possibility of the babies having the "top hat" are.


Cresting is dominant so % is very high for all to be crested... that's why you see lots of crested Silkie crosses... :)
 

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