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[jaxchic]

So after googling brown red colors (told you I am actually trying to learn)...I realized that this girl looks very similar to the brown red color as well. I didn't figure they were related as much because this girl has more black legs as opposed to the green on the other two. Her name is Dirty...and the white spots on her head are just there from scars/fights.

 

[sdm111]

I'm going to contradict myself a lil. With the color breed relation if someone tells me a silver duckwing ( grey ) colored cock is a hatch ( bb red ) I'll have a very hard time believing them. There are a lot of breeds that breed true but there are others that do not. Like I said before if u know the history then that's cool u have a this hatch or that Kelso BUT u can't tell by looks alone. Like if u find a gamecock on the side of the road and it's bb red with a white streamer feather in the tail u can't positively say it's a Kelso. Once u understand the gamefowl and their history you'll find out it's a double edged sword. I wish I could explain better what I'm thinking.

 

[sdm111]

really would u believe me if I told u this was a hatch?

 

[JShubin]

really would u believe me if I told u this was a hatch?

No... I'd say its a hatch grey... or "golden duckwing"

I have had several greys with BBR fathers and vise versa.

 

[sdm111]

No... I'd say its a hatch grey... or "golden duckwing"

I have had several greys with BBR fathers and vise versa.

yeah so let's say I have aquired " joe Redmond greys " from an old cocker that's been breeding that line for 40yrs. ( which i have not ) I can pretty much say that's what they are short of a DNA test( can u do that? ). But looking at the bird I pictured I can't say positively it's a this grey or that grey without knowing the history but I would go as far to say it is a grey. My miners I know where they came from same with the Kelso, hatch, and sweater so I'm confident to call them what they are.

 

[JShubin]

yeah so let's say I have aquired " joe Redmond greys " from an old cocker that's been breeding that line for 40yrs. ( which i have not ) I can pretty much say that's what they are short of a DNA test( can u do that? ). But looking at the bird I pictured I can't say positively it's a this grey or that grey without knowing the history but I would go as far to say it is a grey. My miners I know where they came from same with the Kelso, hatch, and sweater so I'm confident to call them what they are.

yeah. I know what you mean. If you know the history and kept breeding them true or "pure", than yeah you could call them by their breed, espeically if they have been bred true for many generations. Although at some point in history they were just mixed fowl until a breeder claimed it and put a name on it.

I still think its been too long since Kelso or Sweater to be assured that you own a fowl whose ancestors were on their property. But maybe, things are different in the south and east. California is too much mix mosh to know if anything is pure, considering none of those breeders lived out here.

Hatch on the other hand is like a name brand that has transformed into the generic term. Kind of like "Popsicle", it was a brand, but now everybody calls any type of frozen treat a "popsicle"... Hatch basically just means BBR gamefowl now-a-days. Greys seem kind of similar , and probably have been mixed up with so many other grey and non-grey types, with no real way of knowing if its "pure", unless of course you know the real history.

 

[roosterhavoc]

It doesn't seem much different to me than referring to say a NH red as just that, instead of calling it a combination of the five different or whatever chickens that originally made up the breed. Seems a lot easier to call the bird what it most looks like, a way of distinguishing it from others that are similar. How about dogs? I have two dobermans. I know this because they look like dobermans. Multiple other dogs went in to making the breed. They are named after the guy in Germany that developed it. Wouldn't it be the same? Give the guy credit for the dog he created. I get what some are saying is that you have no way of knowing what your getting is any where close to the original line (hatch etc..). And that the guy that line was named after obviously is dead and gone. I think I can still say I have two dobermans even though Louis Doberman died long before I was born. Then again I have a lot to learn and I may be way off.

 

[roosterhavoc]

I have heard a bunch of times that dobermans are nothing like they were in the 70s, not nearly as aggressive nowadays. It may have been bred out of them somewhat since then. Who knows. Can't the same apply to gamefowl? Now I'm confused and don't know what in talking about lol

 

[JShubin]

It doesn't seem much different to me than referring to say a NH red as just that, instead of calling it a combination of the five different or whatever chickens that originally made up the breed. Seems a lot easier to call the bird what it most looks like, a way of distinguishing it from others that are similar. How about dogs? I have two dobermans. I know this because they look like dobermans. Multiple other dogs went in to making the breed. They are named after the guy in Germany that developed it. Wouldn't it be the same? Give the guy credit for the dog he created. I get what some are saying is that you have no way of knowing what your getting is any where close to the original line (hatch etc..). And that the guy that line was named after obviously is dead and gone. I think I can still say I have two dobermans even though Louis Doberman died long before I was born. Then again I have a lot to learn and I may be way off.

dogs and productions/fancy breed chickens are a little different, they werent meant to be pure breeds... Gamefowl are performance based, and were bred to perform, not look a specific way. I guess those breeders like Kelso, etc, decided to be a breed traits instead of, or, in combination with performance. Maybe by accident or intentional.

 

[centrarchid]

For me personally the names have little value. Ignoring the issue of gameness and ability, based just on looks you can have birds of a given strain (i.e. Kelso) coming from different lines (usually in the hands of different breeders) that can differ greatly with respect to overall appearance or constitution. Then for quality, I look for the appearance and constitution but over time they will not be same as the original line even if no new blood is added. The selective pressure of
the pit is very much a part of what makes a given strain of games and even that pressure changed over time. With lines no longer under such pressure to maintain gameness and other pit related qualities, at some point the term game may have to be dropped in their description until it can be tested for again.