Show off your Delawares! *PIC HEAVY*

[fowlman01]

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What happened to the website? I just paid my dues a few weeks back and everything seemed to be working fine then?

I don't know...the only access I got to it at all was on FB...It didn't have much info there .

All the info you need is in the APA Standard of Perfection. That information is copywritten, so generally you can't find it online.

Walt

 

[Tommie D]

The Delaware Poultry Club Website working fine for me, and you can find the APA SoP here: http://www.delawarepoultryclub.org/standards_to_breed_by.html

 

[bt2000]

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I would go with the bowl shaped bird.

Walt

I would go with both

.. lol

Actually that's my intention. I'm down to 20 "select" roos and I have combination's of "good/bad" traits in all.

I have noticed that the darker barred birds have the best yellow legs. Though I do have one who is lighter barred and what I'll term as "level 4" on a scale of 1-5. So my intention is to test breed each genotype against the same hens and check the outcome in both male/female offspring. In hopes of being able to segregate the gene. Strangely as much as it would drive other people nuts, myself included. This inconsistency I have managed to get into this flock now may turn out to be a benefit in learning more about the genetics of the different things being seen in the Delawares. I have managed to duplicate everything everyone is seeing.

I have intention of sharing all that I learn in the future once I can definitively say "this is the cause/effect/outcome".

Walt: I would be interested in what you find in your friends "green leg" birds. And I have to agree with the recessive white idea. Though I do have the intention of "proving" that theory in the future, be it true or untrue. I should be able to know more about that next year, this year is mainly focused on legs.

 

[bt2000]

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I would be interested to see what he gets if bred back against the "offending" roo. If it is a sexlinked trait, it should be fairly easy to segregate the trait. If he's been breeding that line of birds for that long with no other genetics introduced, he may have had something pop out that "shouldn't" be there. I have read about green tinged legs showing up in LF white cornish. Though I don't know if it's the same thing that you're seeing.

 

[bt2000]

OK I figured with the discussion Walt and I had on shank color, I'm going to show some of what I'm referring to. Now I DO NOT have these all nailed down, and none of these birds are fully correct yet. My next test generation out of some of these should tell me much more on shank color expression. These are males only. Also note this is not a comprehensive list of everything I believe to be going on to express differences.

Also note.. all of these roos have the same Sire. Exception being the non barred roo. and many from the same hens.

This is what I suspect id+/id+ vs ID/ID or ID/id+ look like as chicks. I would have been able to tell for sure had I realized then that there were going to be as many differences as what I've found. So next generation hatch, I'll be making much more detailed notes and tracking of each bird.

From left to right you have
1> id+/id+ with light barring
2> ID/id+ with light barring
3> ID/ID with light barring
4> ID/id+ with dark barring
5> ID/ID with dark barring

Now I know in this photo it's most likely hard to see all the differences, but in the high quality photo you can. I may set up a way in the future to post links to those as well.
Also I want to say, that those aren't the only differences I've noted, I'm only pointing out the "common" ones.

Now this is a comparison of ID/ID no barring vs id+/id+ with barring. Which really shows contrast difference. I should mention the non barred roo shanks have always been yellow, from hatch to now. Where as the Dels shanks were green from hatch as shown in the chick photo.

Now this show the non barred ID/ID roo next to a dark barred ID/ID DEL and the right 2 is are ID/id+ with dark and light barred DELs. Hard to tell in the photo, but seeing them live, it's fairly apparent.

This one is ID/id+ light barred. As a chick he would have been what most are referring to pale yellow of tinged green. In the back at the feeder are one light barred ID/ID and a dark barred ID/ID.

For the rest of the photo's I'll let you decide what you think the differences are. What I want to show contrast in apparent effects on plumage, though I'm not fully focused on segregating for that yet.

 

[math ace]

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I was wondering about this back on post #10261 when I said

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IF the paler yellow legs are the result of too much barred rock or not enough NH in the genetic soup mix..... then what else is being thrown off by the mix not being correct ?

This would really be a POWERFUL piece of knowledge to own!

bt2000, We are going to so need to compare notes

My hatchings are too small for me to contribute much, but I absolutely want to know what you are observing!

 

[math ace]

I got so excited over BT2000's post a few entries back, that I didn't read any further....

Thanks BT2000 for taking the time to post the pics and share your observations!

The ID/ID showed light AND dark barring ? ?
The ID/id+ showed light AND dark barring ? ?

So, what pattern do you think exists ? ?
Is "Darker Barred" good or bad ?
Is it just that the BEST barring comes from the BEST yellow legs?

I am thinking BYC might need to come up with a new "TAG" --- "The Questioner". I could win that one hands down!

 

[bt2000]

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I edited that post, after seeing your question, I understand the confusion with it.

ID/ID is not about barring. Though it may effect it. And there are other differences in these birds beyond just ID and id+ that are effecting shank color expression.

What I was getting at with that was the differences in phenotype in the birds. IE: some turned out being much darker in the tail barring then others. And yes the Darker barred ones do seem to have the best legs. But from a strictly visual stand point I do have both light and dark with "good" yellow legs. But my next generation from these little guys should confirm what I'm looking for.

I think whether which is better is going to be a matter of taste. But I also intend in the future to segregate two lines (one dark, one light), so I can isolate all the differences that may be a factor in how both shanks and barring are displayed and what genes are at work to effect that.

Tomorrow I'll try and post a few more photos with hens included and also a couple of younger ones that the parent roo was bred against a solid white hen with yellow legs. Surprisingly, it resulted in both yellow and white legged birds. It was not something that would have been able to know or suspect without test breeding. Now I want to identify what is at play with those and how it applies to what I"m seeing in the level of yellow in the other roos. I'm also hoping to confirm what may be at play with roos turning "brassy" along with it. If you read what Walt posted in an earlier post about recessive white. But I need to grow them out to a point where it will start show, at the moment they're only six weeks old. So it will be a while before I can test breed them.

 

[bt2000]

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Now that I agree with. But I would like to point out, that even if they are yellow with "correct feed". There is/can be a huge difference in how yellow is expressed when genetics come into play on top of feed/environment.

With an ID/id+ or id+/id+ roo and an id+/- hen will have pale yellow legs as adults, hens will fade out drastically at point of lay, roos will fade drastically with age and pale yellow/green legs as chicks no matter what you feed them.

 

[Stevenson]

Eventually I will be able comprehend what is being discussed...I have no doubt...but for now I am learning and making some real progress I think. Today I got my bandettes and put them on my Delawares. It is amazing at how being able to identify the birds from each other immediately helps to start picking out the good and bad qualities. I have one rooster that is standing out. I definitely have coloring issues (too much barring in the body) but I am very pleased with my starting point. I'll try to get some pictures on here tomorrow.