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[bt2000]

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agreed.. Which is why I ask..

Something I wanted to ask you Walt..

How do you think id+ got into some Del lines?

 

[fowlman01]

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agreed.. Which is why I ask..

Something I wanted to ask you Walt..

How do you think id+ got into some Del lines?

How do we know id+ is in Del lines?

Walt

 

[bt2000]

Well I would think that would be a good indication of id+. Unless you know of something else that can explain the difference?

 

[fowlman01]

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What line are the birds in this picture? Other than visually, what makes you think it is id+? Are they the same sex? Has this flock been test bred to determine that they are id+? There could be other reasons and we don't agree on what they are.

Walt

 

[math ace]

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Walt,

How do you go about getting birds tested for this kind of stuff ? ?

Do you have any idea how much it would cost ? ?

 

[bt2000]

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I have a few different lines here that I'm actually test breeding. It becomes counter productive to "name names". My goal is only to identify and find a solution, not point fingers.

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Both males in that photo. Both fed the same, raised in the exact same condition. Still have them. Sire roo when bred against a known line of clean bright yellow legged birds resulted in all green legged females and pale legged males. Being that id+ is sex linked and the female offspring inherit it from the father and the males get one gene each from the father and mother. Everything I've read indicates that to be an indication of id+ vs ID. Not only described in literature, but visual comparisons in photos as well.

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I have more test birds aged between 1 week and 25 weeks from these "groups" and adults ranging from 6 months to 4 years at the present time. If you have an idea that you think will point out something that I'm missing and that I'm wrong about this conclusion. I would be more then happy to hear it and test it.

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Actually if anyone has insight into this, and thinks my conclusion on this is wrong. I would be happy to hear from them as well.

 

[bt2000]

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Walt,

After reading some of our post between each other. I think I need to clarify a few things. I hope you do not think our "debates" are adversarial. That is not my intention, and forums are a poor conveyor of intended spirit of what is said. Written words do not express intentions nor emotions, as would a face to face verbal conversion.

It's not that I don't agree with you, I've read many of your posts and much of your conclusions I felt are spot on. I think in Kathy's case with her birds, I very much agree with you on it being feed and/or environmental.

These birds started me down the road to learning about the very same thing you love to do.. and now myself as well. Bitten by the chicken bug. With the years of experience you have, when you state something, I'm most certainly going to give it full weight of what's said. I learn all I can from many different places and advice from many different people, including yourself.

I hope that conveys what is intended, the way it is intended.

Bob

 

[fowlman01]

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I have a few different lines here that I'm actually test breeding. It becomes counter productive to "name names". My goal is only to identify and find a solution, not point fingers.

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Both males in that photo. Both fed the same, raised in the exact same condition. Still have them. Sire roo when bred against a known line of clean bright yellow legged birds resulted in all green legged females and pale legged males. Being that id+ is sex linked and the female offspring inherit it from the father and the males get one gene each from the father and mother. Everything I've read indicates that to be an indication of id+ vs ID. Not only described in literature, but visual comparisons in photos as well.

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I have more test birds aged between 1 week and 25 weeks from these "groups" and adults ranging from 6 months to 4 years at the present time. If you have an idea that you think will point out something that I'm missing and that I'm wrong about this conclusion. I would be more then happy to hear it and test it.

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Actually if anyone has insight into this, and thinks my conclusion on this is wrong. I would be happy to hear from them as well.

I don't have enough info to make any kind of statement as to why they are like that. I am also not saying that you are wrong. I just need more info to make an informed opinion. Are the two males related and if so how? What are you feeding this group of birds?

I don't consider this exchange a debate, just a discussion. I have no opinion yet, just wanted to know more abut why you have your conclusions.

Walt

Walt

 

[fowlman01]

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Walt,

How do you go about getting birds tested for this kind of stuff ? ?

Do you have any idea how much it would cost ? ?

bt2000 can explain how you do this.

Walt

 

[bt2000]

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Both of them have the same sire different mother. One mother suspected ID one suspected id+ and that particular roo being suspected id+/id+. The further test breeding I did on the Sire lead to those being the only logical conclusions. But as I type this, those young roos are now 20 weeks of age and the yellow legged one is being bred back to the parent hens and it's sibling sisters. The results of which should confirm id+ vs ID. Also to try and confirm some other things I'm looking at, not related to id+.

They both at that time were being fed Dumor 20% chick starter.

At the conclusion of this test breeding I'm going to put together a post with as much information as I've learned from it, with visual references and the theories behind it. Before I do that I would like to consult yourself and a couple of other people to see if they feel it's correct. I would also like to get your insights as to other causes in "off colored" shanks and their causes/solutions unrelated to just the genetic side and would like to include that in the final post as well.

Thanks for your time and insights.