show quality speckled sussex ??

[snowbird]

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Hello all, When we did the critique on these SS hens we did it with the hens having the potential of being able to raise some APA SOP SS from them. I did not critique them on being show Quality SS. With everything they had going for them I thought it would be nit picking to bring up that they needed a slight slope to the back. When we are trying to get a few yards going with SS as possible SOP breeders I believe it is more important to look at the entire SS when selecting SS for breeders. Granted I am not a poultry Judge but have looked down the back of a few SS.

When you are evaluating a breed by the APA Standard of Perfection you are looking at them from a show perspective.

The slope to the back is one thing that separates them from a Rock or a Red and too many Champion English SS do not slope.

Some judges get caught up in the color and forget breed type. mho

You are missing the entire point of the critique when we did it. We did the critique as a tool for breeding them with the intent of getting SOP type SS if they were bred to the right type and color. Point is we did not critique them to be show SS only as breeders and there is a difference. The APA Sop only says they should have a slight slope, not a sharp angle.

 

[snowbird]

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I think the combs we will wait on them until point of lay and you can post again.

Notice this pullet has pretty good color and the spangles are about like the first two.

Her back could be a little wider at the end

If back is wider the tail will most likely open up some.

Nothing to worry about the back slope on her.

Eyes, and shanks lood good from what I can see.

Would use along with the first two pullets.

 

[snowbird]

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I pulled some of my old records out from years ago to share with you on using the lighter colored SS.

By using the lighter body colored male and female SS you will get more young fowl that have white in wing and tail. You will also get larger Spangle white spots using the lighter colored SS. The white dilutes the Mahogany and will eventually over rule unless you use the darker males. If I were going to use this light Maghony female I sure would single mate , and keep records of what you get from the hatch, mark the chicks with a toe punch and do not worry about the string ties.

 

[snowbird]

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This pullet looks about like the other four. If you could find a dark male like the one "Indianfeathers" has he would work with all five of your female. Make sure you get a dark male without the white in wing and tail. Get a broad Back like on the male mentioned above. Wish you had of received a male along with the female so we could of seen what the male side looks like.

 

[stormylady]

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I pulled some of my old records out from years ago to share with you on using the lighter colored SS.

By using the lighter body colored male and female SS you will get more young fowl that have white in wing and tail. You will also get larger Spangle white spots using the lighter colored SS. The white dilutes the Mahogany and will eventually over rule unless you use the darker males. If I were going to use this light Maghony female I sure would single mate , and keep records of what you get from the hatch, mark the chicks with a toe punch and do not worry about the string ties.

So I guess my guestion is this, WOULD you use her? Does she have any Qualities that are good to pass on or should I cull her? I'm guessing that for the first 3 I could use a really nice Quality male, But for Halley, I could use the same Darker male but keep her chicks separated correct ? or would I have to get a separate male all together to fix her flaws? Thankyou, Sandy

 

[stormylady]

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This pullet looks about like the other four. If you could find a dark male like the one "Indianfeathers" has he would work with all five of your female. Make sure you get a dark male without the white in wing and tail. Get a broad Back like on the male mentioned above. Wish you had of received a male along with the female so we could of seen what the male side looks like.

Me too now! LOL wow Im really surprised that they all made the grade! And so glad you were here to help! Now on to the great Roo Hunt!
I was really kinda concerned about Halley being so different looking in my eyes. I hope they continue to improve as they get older too. Im going back to look at the Rooster of Indian Feathers to get a sense of what I should be looking for. Thanks again , Sandy

 

[stormylady]

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I pulled some of my old records out from years ago to share with you on using the lighter colored SS.

By using the lighter body colored male and female SS you will get more young fowl that have white in wing and tail. You will also get larger Spangle white spots using the lighter colored SS. The white dilutes the Mahogany and will eventually over rule unless you use the darker males. If I were going to use this light Maghony female I sure would single mate , and keep records of what you get from the hatch, mark the chicks with a toe punch and do not worry about the string ties.

So I guess my guestion is this, WOULD you use her? Does she have any Qualities that are good to pass on or should I cull her? I'm guessing that for the first 3 I could use a really nice Quality male, But for Halley, I could use the same Darker male but keep her chicks separated correct ? or would I have to get a separate male all together to fix her flaws? Thankyou, Sandy

Never mind , you already answered this. Thankyou!

 

[snowbird]

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I pulled some of my old records out from years ago to share with you on using the lighter colored SS.

By using the lighter body colored male and female SS you will get more young fowl that have white in wing and tail. You will also get larger Spangle white spots using the lighter colored SS. The white dilutes the Mahogany and will eventually over rule unless you use the darker males. If I were going to use this light Maghony female I sure would single mate , and keep records of what you get from the hatch, mark the chicks with a toe punch and do not worry about the string ties.

So I guess my guestion is this, WOULD you use her? Does she have any Qualities that are good to pass on or should I cull her? I'm guessing that for the first 3 I could use a really nice Quality male, But for Halley, I could use the same Darker male but keep her chicks separated correct ? or would I have to get a separate male all together to fix her flaws? Thankyou, Sandy

With my setup here I would single mate all of them even if I used the same male. I would mark the chicks and keep a record on all of them and see who produces what. When it comes to parti-colored fowl, show quality does no always produce show quality. The old timer used to say breed to what produced the good bird.

With single mating after a while you will find that some birds just produce better young than others. These female all have good enough type to breed some good SOP SS if you breed to the right SS male.

 

[stormylady]

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So I guess my guestion is this, WOULD you use her? Does she have any Qualities that are good to pass on or should I cull her? I'm guessing that for the first 3 I could use a really nice Quality male, But for Halley, I could use the same Darker male but keep her chicks separated correct ? or would I have to get a separate male all together to fix her flaws? Thankyou, Sandy

With my setup here I would single mate all of them even if I used the same male. I would mark the chicks and keep a record on all of them and see who produces what. When it comes to parti-colored fowl, show quality does no always produce show quality. The old timer used to say breed to what produced the good bird.

With single mating after a while you will find that some birds just produce better young than others. These female all have good enough type to breed some good SOP SS if you breed to the right SS male.

Gotcha, See thanks I think that sounds much better than what I was seeing in my head as happening, Hope you'll help me pick the right male for my girls.

 

[Indianfeathers]

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