Silkie breeding, genetics & showing

[Sonoran Silkies]

Exerpted from the Indiana State Fair Entry Hndbook:

"POULTRY
1. SEE GENERAL REQUIREMENTS FOR ALL SPECIES
2. All poultry presented for exhibition shall be accompanied by an official certificate of veterinary inspection or an appropriate
National Poultry Improvement Plan (NPIP) certificate.
3. All poultry presented for exhibition must meet one of the following requirements:
a. Test negative for pullorum-typhoid within 90 days prior to the date of their exhibition.
b. Be hatched from eggs originating from certified NPIP pullorum-typhoid clean flocks.
c. Originate from a flock where the entire flock is certified NPIP pullorum-typhoid clean.
For more information on poultry health requirements, call the Indiana State Board of Animal Health at (317) 544-2387"

This pretty much follows the exact requirements for all poultry exhibition in Indiana, as well as entry into the state. Exact requirements are at these links:

http://www.in.gov/boah/2391.htm

http://www.in.gov/boah/files/INSF2010.pdf

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

I do wonder if they are getting NPIP and NAIS mixed up in their mind.

 

[sager:)silkies]

Oh it isn't? Here it is.

nope cost me about 20$ everytime a vaccinate

 

[Hawkeye95]

How much does it cost you every 3 months Hawkeye?

It is very minimal and nothing to be too worried about. My tester charges me a $5 trip fee to come to my house. Then she charges $1 per bird. You are basically paying for the serum for each bird. If you have a flock of over 300 birds, you will get a huge discount. Now, I have been to State funded 90 day NPIP testing meets and had my birds tested for free, too!! I much prefer that route! LOL But since I just do the testing every 90 days, then I have to find testing on my own time and dime.

Exerpted from the Indiana State Fair Entry Hndbook:

"POULTRY
1. SEE GENERAL REQUIREMENTS FOR ALL SPECIES
2. All poultry presented for exhibition shall be accompanied by an official certificate of veterinary inspection or an appropriate
National Poultry Improvement Plan (NPIP) certificate.
3. All poultry presented for exhibition must meet one of the following requirements:
a. Test negative for pullorum-typhoid within 90 days prior to the date of their exhibition.
b. Be hatched from eggs originating from certified NPIP pullorum-typhoid clean flocks.
c. Originate from a flock where the entire flock is certified NPIP pullorum-typhoid clean.
For more information on poultry health requirements, call the Indiana State Board of Animal Health at (317) 544-2387"

This pretty much follows the exact requirements for all poultry exhibition in Indiana, as well as entry into the state. Exact requirements are at these links:

http://www.in.gov/boah/2391.htm

http://www.in.gov/boah/files/INSF2010.pdf

Yes, this is very similar to how our show handbooks read around here, too.

Except that I haven't been to any that would allow the yearly NPIP in place of a 90 NPIP.


Zack, you definitely have different ways of doing things up there in Canada, but you are showing great initiative by vaccinating your flock and trying to be proactive about the health concerns you face in your area. That is extremely responsible of you. Perhaps some day Canada may be like the US on starting to set up agencies to track their poultry data like the NPIP does, I guess you never know.

 

[Adoravachick]

If they are right on the edge, I would test them. There is no harm in it. The procedure is very simple.

When the tester arrived, I told her that I had 4 additional birds that were right on the edge. She tested them as well.

 

[sager:)silkies]

It is very minimal and nothing to be too worried about. My tester charges me a $5 trip fee to come to my house. Then she charges $1 per bird. You are basically paying for the serum for each bird. If you have a flock of over 300 birds, you will get a huge discount. Now, I have been to State funded 90 day NPIP testing meets and had my birds tested for free, too!! I much prefer that route! LOL But since I just do the testing every 90 days, then I have to find testing on my own time and dime.

Yes, this is very similar to how our show handbooks read around here, too.

Except that I haven't been to any that would allow the yearly NPIP in place of a 90 NPIP.


Zack, you definitely have different ways of doing things up there in Canada, but you are showing great initiative by vaccinating your flock and trying to be proactive about the health concerns you face in your area. That is extremely responsible of you. Perhaps some day Canada may be like the US on starting to set up agencies to track their poultry data like the NPIP does, I guess you never know.

i dont know why we dont maybe in canada we dont have as many chicken disease like u guys dont know but i like how i can show at a show and get a bunch of stuff done

 

[chisNchickens]

"Methinks the lady doth protest too much"

When the testers came to my place to do my birds we spoke at length about the purpose of the NPIP program and its usefulness with backyard flock owners or breeders with limited numbers. The testers were of the opinion that the more smaller flocks they can test the better -- it enables them to track pullorum-free zones and provides statistical data about the effectiveness of the program. And while you're right about it starting with larger commercial dealers (in the 1930s, I might add, long before the existence of BYC), it is by no means limited to those facilities and is now intended to reach smaller producers and small flock owners.

I certainly didn't get my NPIP status b/c it was a "fad" -- I did it because I wanted to be a responsible poultry breeder, I wanted to ensure my flock was healthy, and I wanted to be able to show. Around here one can't participate in most shows without the testing, whether it's done at the farm or at the time of entering the show hall. In fact, I don't know of any shows that don't consider it a requirement.

I am having a hard time appreciating your criticisms of a program that is designed to keep U.S. poultry flocks healthy. But choosing NOT to participate is yours to make. You don't have to be part of the "in crowd". But I wouldn't buy birds or eggs from you, and if I saw your birds enter a show hall without confirmation of their NPIP status I would complain to the show stewards immediately.

No, just trying to gain a better understanding of it, stirring the pot usually works. I - having never had "livestock" prior to my birds - had no idea horses or cows had to have specific health clearances to show or leave the state as Hawk mentioned. Showing dogs is apparently very different. Of all the people selling birds and eggs here, very few are NPIP, hence the confusion.
So here's a question, if I want to be NPIP certified so that I can show my silkies, what about my LF laying birds? Do they have to be tested/banded too even though they aren't being shown?

 

[Adoravachick]

No, just trying to gain a better understanding of it, stirring the pot usually works. I - having never had "livestock" prior to my birds - had no idea horses or cows had to have specific health clearances to show or leave the state as Hawk mentioned. Showing dogs is apparently very different. Of all the people selling birds and eggs here, very few are NPIP, hence the confusion.
So here's a question, if I want to be NPIP certified so that I can show my silkies, what about my LF laying birds? Do they have to be tested/banded too even though they aren't being shown?

If you want to just show a couple of birds, you can attend a pullorum clinic where they will test them and give you a 90 day cert. and your flock isnt considered NPIP certified. You can also have someone come out and test ALL of your adult birds and your flock will be NPIP certfied. I have 20 birds total, and 15 were tested, my other 5 were too young to test. They came from a certified flock, but they'll be tested and banded next year. you do have a couple of options though.

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

Quote:

2. All poultry presented for exhibition shall be accompanied by an official certificate of veterinary inspection or an appropriate

National Poultry Improvement Plan (NPIP) certificate.
3. All poultry presented for exhibition must meet one of the following requirements:
a. Test negative for pullorum-typhoid within 90 days prior to the date of their exhibition.
b. Be hatched from eggs originating from certified NPIP pullorum-typhoid clean flocks.
c. Originate from a flock where the entire flock is certified NPIP pullorum-typhoid clean.
For more information on poultry health requirements, call the Indiana State Board of Animal Health at (317) 544-2387"

This pretty much follows the exact requirements for all poultry exhibition in Indiana, as well as entry into the state. Exact requirements are at these links:

http://www.in.gov/boah/2391.htm

http://www.in.gov/boah/files/INSF2010.pdf

Yes, this is very similar to how our show handbooks read around here, too.

Except that I haven't been to any that would allow the yearly NPIP in place of a 90 NPIP.


Zack, you definitely have different ways of doing things up there in Canada, but you are showing great initiative by vaccinating your flock and trying to be proactive about the health concerns you face in your area. That is extremely responsible of you. Perhaps some day Canada may be like the US on starting to set up agencies to track their poultry data like the NPIP does, I guess you never know.
I listed the requirements for Indiana because that is the location listed by chrisNchickens in her profle.

In Arizona there is no NPIP requirement for exhibition; it is practically impossible to get NPIP certification here. You will wait weeks to get a call back from the State Vet's office (unless you have active disease). I do know some testers, and when I have needed testing for showing out of state, I have been able to go that route.

Poultry entering Arizona are required to
1) appear healthy,
2) not be from a quarantined area,
3) comply with all APHIS interstate requirements and
4) have a health certificate or NPIP Form 9-3.

We have very little commercial poultry industry in Arizona, and like some other states that have little commercial poultry, NPIP is neither pushed nor easily obtained. New Mexico is another state where I have been told it is very difficult to obtain NPIP or even testing. A few years ago someone I knew in Washington state tried to get her flock NPIP certified. She was told that there was at least a 6-8 month wait until her flock could be scheduled for testing, and then the price was over $800. This was not a huge flock; large, but not excessively so.

 

[Adoravachick]

If you want to just show a couple of birds, you can attend a pullorum clinic where they will test them and give you a 90 day cert. and your flock isnt considered NPIP certified. You can also have someone come out and test ALL of your adult birds and your flock will be NPIP certfied. I have 20 birds total, and 15 were tested, my other 5 were too young to test. They came from a certified flock, but they'll be tested and banded next year. you do have a couple of options though.

Ahh yes, I am sorry, these are the rules for New York.