So dissapointing....and rude!

[ChickenScratchin]

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AKC will register a dog that doesn't meet the standard, as long as both the parents were registered. The AKC standard isn't made up by the AKC, it is done by the Jack Russell Club of America.

For example, white is a disqualification in the German Shepherd. The dog can still be registered through AKC, all the pups can be registered AKC. They just can't be shown in conformation.

Well, they might now, but back when I started in mine, they would not. Reason, dogs must be 15" at shoulder. The original imported dogs were submitted for registry to AKC, they refused them. But that is fine, my dogs are what the original Parsons Russells should be, short and hunters. AKC was not available overseas where they were imported from.

They just recognized Parson Russells as a breed in 1997. Usually takes a fairly long time for breed recognition (particularly when it is a "new" breed that is a cross of 2 or more other recognized breeds, like the Russell). But I don't know what the process is for a new breed recognition, in regards to how they begin admitting dogs (particularly when imported.) But that is always a problem when dealing with unrecognized breeds - kind of goes with the territory.

But AKC has become more tolerant of mixed breeds, so things like that are becoming less of a problem for some.

 

[lockedhearts]

From the AKC website, under Parson Russell Terrier


Terrier Group; AKC recognized in 1997.
Ideal size 13 to 14 inches tall at the shoulder and 13-17 pounds.
Fox hunter.

The American Kennel Club, Inc.


Disqualifications:
Height under 12” or over 15”.
Prick ears, liver nose.
Overshot, undershot or wry mouth.
Brindle markings.
Overt aggression toward another dog.


My dogs still do not qualify, although they are what the original Parson Russell Terriers should be.......

 

[ChickenScratchin]

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That's disqualification for showing though - has nothing to do with whether they will register them - UNLESS...they may require adherence to SOP for initial registration of a line for a newly recognized breed or something.

I don't know how they go about adding dogs when they recognize a new breed. But I would still look into it if you have lines that are proven to be from the imported, original lines. Special registration dept. is actually pretty helpful.

 

[dainerra]

what she said - that just means they can't be shown in conformation. Again, though, that isn't AKC's rule. The standard is written by the parent club and then submitted to AKC. For the Parson, it's the Parson Russell Terrier Assoc. of America. http://www.prtaa.org/

According to the breed history, he bred dogs that were 14", so the standard is written around that - to keep the breed what was intended. I would contact the people at the site above to get their help in how to get your dogs moved in the AKC arena, if that is something you want to do.

Also, even if a breed is recognized with AKC, it IS recognized somewhere - UKC, CanKC, FCI, etc No reason to deal with a scam agency

 

[lockedhearts]

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If you are refering to CKC (Continental Kennel Club) as a scam , I disagree. To get my dogs registered, I had to send in several photos and have a veterinarian or qualified person (meaning reputable breeder of breed, show judge etc) sign an affidavit as to my dogs breed. Personally, my bloodlines on my dogs are probably more along the old lines. I think AKC wants "modern" lines. I was just giving my opinion on CKC , I have never had any issue with them, they have always been more than helpful.

 

[dainerra]

Again, though, AKC doesn't make a decision about which lines to include in a new breed. The parent club of the breed in question is the one who handles those things.

And about COnKC, I think it's a scam for the. Very resons you stated you like them. The entire registry process is based so that someone can go to the local animal sh elter, pick a couple dogs that look like XYZ and register them with ConKC, they can then sell all the pups as "purebred" even though there is ZERO way to know for sure what thedy actually are.

Excuse the typos...am on my phone.

 

[carolinagirl58]

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exactly. There are MANY mutts out there that look like one of it's pure bred parents. Those dogs can easily get registered with CKC, and then go on to produce mutt babies that don't look anything like they are supposed to look. I have a wonderful long coated chihuahua that is CKC registered. Her parents both look pure bred but she does not. Her ears are too small and are not erect, her coat is too flat and wavy, she is too big and her head is not shaped right. she is an awesome dog, but NOT purebred. But her parents looked purebred enough to get registgered.

 

[86121]

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exactly. There are MANY mutts out there that look like one of it's pure bred parents. Those dogs can easily get registered with CKC, and then go on to produce mutt babies that don't look anything like they are supposed to look. I have a wonderful long coated chihuahua that is CKC registered. Her parents both look pure bred but she does not. Her ears are too small and are not erect, her coat is too flat and wavy, she is too big and her head is not shaped right. she is an awesome dog, but NOT purebred. But her parents looked purebred enough to get registgered.

Im afraid i have to agree...
However I will say that there are good honest people in the CKC who just generally want to register there animals as a breed or what ever it is that they do. They take care of there animals, and care for them.
Then there are the rest, the puppy mills, the backyard breeders, people who just like to breed, and the jerks that you mentioned (People who pick up shelter dogs) who I deal with due to my job...who just want an extra buck when there selling there pup's, and have admitted this...Sadly there just seems to be more of these people out there, that ruin it for the people who actually do care, and wish to raise there puppy's properly.

 

[carolinagirl58]

yes, there are many many bad breeders, CKC and AKC. the registry means nothing because all the registry does is to keep records. That's it. So the most important thing ANY buyer can do is find a reputable breeder who is willing to spend the money to get their breeding stock tested and certified for the genetic defects common to that breed. I'd trust a back yard breeder who does these tests over a professional show breeder who does not....although most show breeders that I know of do get this testing done. When you are selling pups for $500 each and up, seems like simple common sense to spend a few hundred bucks to get the dog tested! Sure, it will cut into the "profits", but it's the responsible thing to do.

 

[ladyride]

Try looking at rescues there is alot of purebred dogs there. They are already house trained,spayed or neutered, have microchips implanted,have basic obedience. What more can you ask for? The registries as someone already pointed out is simply a means of keeping up with the breeds. This does not guarantee their health or being the best of breed. That takes years of work that breeders put into to get. You always get what you pay for . There are thousands of dogs out there in a rescue who are just waiting for a forever home.
I have a friend who could afford to got to a fancy breeder with dogs pedigree that goes back pages, but when he chose to get a basset he gave me a call saying you know the rescue system works help me find one that will fit us. After looking at about 5 different dogs he found just right one for them. That dog is sooo spoiled. Just because they are in rescue does not mean they are inferior it usually means that someone can longer take care of them.
What do you really want to fume over something that wasn't really yours to begin with or give a great dog a deserving home ?