Solving Dog Aggression Problems? Please help! She may be euthanized!

[aoxa]

Have you ever seen an adult dog punish a puppy for stepping out of line?

Oh yes. This is why a puppy MUST stay with it's mother until week 10. She teaches puppies manners. It's not appropriate for litter mates to bite. She will teach this. I have had a dog with puppies. I have seen it first hand.

 

[aoxa]

Aoxa, I never mentioned PETA or the humane society. I'm sorry if you feel defensive, but the scientific research performed by actual educated professionals speaks for itself, if you took the time to open your mind and do the research.

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Originally Posted by Iain Utah

Well, let's just say his methods are not viewed upon favorably by organizations like the association of pet dog trainers, the american humane association, tufts university animal behavior clinic.... just to name a few.. Then there are the big names in veterinarians, certified animal behaviorists and trainers like Ian Dunbar, Jean Donaldson, Patricia McConnelly, Pat Miller, Emma Parsons, Trisha Stewart who are all outspoken regarding Cesar's archaic concepts of alpha, dominance, pack mentality and using negative reinforcement.

I understand that people want quick and easy fixes to a difficult behavior issue. But, I encourage all those who think Cesar is a good trainer to actually spend some time researching his very controversial reputation and ask yourself if his way is the best way for your dog.
Bolded where you mentioned it.

I have done plenty of research. I've worked hands on and tried all other methods before resorting to shock collars in desperate situations. I have too many valuable birds to lose to a dog who does not obey. Now when I say no, I don't even have to shock. She just knows. The only collar she will have when she is mature is the underground fence collar.

 

[fowl farm]

Oh yes. This is why a puppy MUST stay with it's mother until week 10. She teaches puppies manners. It's not appropriate for litter mates to bite. She will teach this. I have had a dog with puppies. I have seen it first hand.

My point being, if a mother dog will smack her puppy over the head with her teeth, why are people so against physical punishment? I'm all for positive reinforcement, but with a dog that bites I would not hesitate to smack their nose. Give them warning first, and build up from there, but you have to do something. My dog does not function on positive reinforcement when dealing with bad behaviors. Trust me. And yet, I'm her idol.

 

[fowl farm]

Every person trains their dog differently. I guess I'll leave it at that.

 

[aoxa]

My point being, if a mother dog will smack her puppy over the head with her teeth, why are people so against physical punishment? I'm all for positive reinforcement, but with a dog that bites I would not hesitate to smack their nose. Give them warning first, and build up from there, but you have to do something. My dog does not function on positive reinforcement when dealing with bad behaviors. Trust me. And yet, I'm her idol.

I think positive reinforcement alone would work much better starting at an early age if it were to work at all.

My fiance has taken human psychology. She's studied the positive and negative reinforcement effects on humans (mainly criminals) and has tried it on me. She figured out I respond MUCH better to positive than negative. IE: She asked me to do laundry and rewarded me with a poutine (Canadian thing - not the gross potatoes but the fries, cheese and gravy) when I did it in a timely fashion. Without telling me. Negative led me to rebel. Opposite is true for her mother. Her mother is a critical person. She trained her out of negative comments towards herself (my fiance) by negative reinforcement. Her mother is now much better.

It may not seem relevant.. but it is. Animals have different triggers for different behaviour. Some animals will do ANYTHING to received praise. Unfortunately that is not the case for my Clementine.

 

[Iain Utah]

Once again, if you had done your research, you would know that the american humane association is not the same thing as the humane society. Have you ever even heard of Ian Dunbar or the others?

 

[aoxa]

Once again, if you had done your research, you would know that the american humane association is not the same thing as the humane society. Have you ever even heard of Ian Dunbar or the others?

According to a few sources, they collaborate with one another - so yes I have done my research. Any organization that ever collaborated with the Humane Society is not one I want to support or quote.

 

[Fly 2006]

IMO, C M, trains, fixes, whispers whatever you want to call it all dogs in the same way, there is no thought as to why the dog behaves as it does, a lot of dogs are fear aggresive, I have one myself, If I was to stand over her, lunge at her, swipe at her or get her by the scruff of the neck her instinct would be to defend herself, I could then push her to the floor and pin her down until she submitted to me, what would I be left with... A scared dog who was constantly looking to see what my next move would be, so instead I decided to be firm but fair, she respects me, she knows what is expected of her and she never feels she needs to defend herself against me, we live happily together, we have a bond and it is great

I believe finding the reason for a dogs issues is the start to succesfully helping it, for example it could even have a medical problem which cannot be cured in which case the only option would be PTS, it could have been abused in the past so surely more of the same is not going to help!

 

[aoxa]

IMO, C M, trains, fixes, whispers whatever you want to call it all dogs in the same way, there is no thought as to why the dog behaves as it does, a lot of dogs are fear aggresive, I have one myself, If I was to stand over her, lunge at her, swipe at her or get her by the scruff of the neck her instinct would be to defend herself, I could then push her to the floor and pin her down until she submitted to me, what would I be left with... A scared dog who was constantly looking to see what my next move would be, so instead I decided to be firm but fair, she respects me, she knows what is expected of her and she never feels she needs to defend herself against me, we live happily together, we have a bond and it is great

I believe finding the reason for a dogs issues is the start to succesfully helping it, for example it could even have a medical problem which cannot be cured in which case the only option would be PTS, it could have been abused in the past so surely more of the same is not going to help!

Caeser does not use the same training methods for all of the dogs he trains/rehabilitates.

I have the same type of dog myself, and she is the one I will not use negative reinforcement in. She is the same fearful aggressive. Kept in a fish tank for 8 months - I can only imagine why.

My LGD was dominant aggressive. She thought she was the leader, and was using her mouth to show us how she was the leader. We re-established dominance. Now she does not use her mouth.

 

[Fly 2006]

Caeser does not use the same training methods for all of the dogs he trains/rehabilitates.

I have the same type of dog myself, and she is the one I will not use negative reinforcement in. She is the same fearful aggressive. Kept in a fish tank for 8 months - I can only imagine why.

My LGD was dominant aggressive. She thought she was the leader, and was using her mouth to show us how she was the leader. We re-established dominance. Now she does not use her mouth.

How did you establish dominance ( hate that word)