Solving Dog Aggression Problems? Please help! She may be euthanized!

[fowl farm]

My LGD was dominant aggressive. She thought she was the leader, and was using her mouth to show us how she was the leader. We re-established dominance. Now she does not use her mouth.

My dog was the same

 

[nok13]

fowl farm gave the only normal advise here; that, or rehoming. spaying bitches doesnt stop agression. wtih two females, the aggrssion is not over territory it is about guarding the 'nest' so to speak, and is not hormone connected but behavioral entirely...

when it happens between two dogs in one household then it is because of 'bad behavior' on the part of the owner/s ... there will always be squabbles between dogs especially if theya re close in age or and or status (status from when they were in a litter of pups);
rehoming is better when the owners cannot or will not re educate themselves in behavioral patters with their dogs...

 

[PoultryPower]

I respect C M. I used his training methods as a platform to forming my own.
I have a dog who was in and out of shelters as a puppy. One of his owners dropped him off at the shelter claiming they wanted nothing to due with him because he was a wolf. Finally ended up in a rescue group from which my family adopted him from.

This dog had dominant aggressive behavior. I tried ALL different types of training methods with him, the only one that worked, was C M's.

This dog used to flip out at dogs every time we walked by one, jumping up in the air and making a ton of noise. I have had people kick this dog and hit him when he tackled their dog, it's nothing a dog owner wants to see and I was quite damaged from it. I knew I had to do something to help my dog. I had been trying the whole, "make puppy sit and give him a treat when a dog passes" method, yeah right, like that is going to work for a dominate aggressive dog, he would completely ignore the treat and me as soon as the dog got close. He did not like being pet or rubbed as a reward, he was dominate and a dominate dog does not let people or other dogs touch them like that, it's just the pack leader way. I tried a bunch of other methods after and before this too, still no results. Note that I'm not the kind of person who tried a method for a couple of days and then deemed it unsuccessful, this dog is around 6 years old and we have had him since he was 10 weeks. This dog was unhappy, we were not fulfilling his needs, he needed the weight of "his" pack off his shoulders. It is stressful for a dog to be pack leader, your dog will be more calm and relaxed if they know that someone is in control. He never came up to people for affection or attention, he would just lay around and watch his pack. I then switched over the Cesar's methods and began to see a difference, he could go to the dog park again, we could walk by dogs and he wouldn't freak out at every dog that passed. He still wasn't very obedient, let him off the leash and he was gone, he had no recall skills, not that he didn't understand what comes meant, trust me, I worked with him for years on it, he just wouldn't come to me if he had the chance to run away and do something more fun, he didn't respect me. He would bust out our front door and go after people walking their dogs. I then started using a electric training collar after being instructed on how to use it by a professional dog trainer friend of the family. I used it the proper way (many people use it to hurt the dog because they simply have never been taught the proper way) to get my message across that when I said something, he needed to listen to me. It got his attention when a dog would pass by, unlike a treat, and it would calm him down. After many years of hard work with this dog, I am proud to say I only use a leash for him on walks when we are in an area that requires one or if we are walking at night. He can go to the dog park and walk by dogs with no problem. His recall is dramatically better, when he does get into the front yard I can go out there and call him and he will happily come running back to me. This dog is now laying by my side at the moment, he just came up to me to be pet on the top of his head (if you have ever had a dominate dog you would know that they hate being pet on the top of the head because it is a dominate move) and kissed my face. He is so happy, he gets to go for hikes with us and other dogs and he gets to run off leash. He has never been happier in his entire life, my whole family and people who know him agree. This dog is definitely not obedient because he is scared or because I have broken him down emotionally. He is obedient because he has given me the pack leader roll, which means he trusts me to take care of him, that is the true job of a pack leader.

So, to conclude, I would think Cesar's methods were harsh too if I never had a dog who needed these methods. Most people have the puppy who is mouthy or jumps on people or other simple behavior problems. I can understand that these people don't get Cesar's methods because these problems can be easily solved with positive training, but when you have a dog with a serious behavior issue, it takes a little bit more than just treats. Some dog breeds, like the Golden Retriever are hardwired to want to please, other dogs are more independent and couldn't care less about what you think. I have watched the Animal Planet show, "It's Me or the Dog" I do not respect this lady's opinion or methods, I have heard her say that when a dog has attacked another dog in the past, it can never be trusted around other dogs again. If this is the case, then a lot of dogs have grim futures. She spends more of her time yelling at the owners instead of working with the dog and solving the problem. Other trainers will bash Cesar on their youtube channels, like Zak George, who teaches dogs to preform tricks, not solve aggression. I have never heard Cesar bash another trainer, he respects everyone's opinion and techniques. I have seen him use many different techniques on a dog that requires them. I have seen him do treat training with some dogs. He always finds the cause of the dogs aggression, if you had watch the show enough, you would see that. Cesar gives people hope that their beloved pets can become happy members of the family again. I have never seen a dog dislike Cesar after they have gone to his rehabilitation center to stay with him. All the dogs who come out from there love and respect Cesar. Some of his methods are a little wishy-washy, but for the most part, he has paved the way in extreme dog aggression training, and I respect him for that.

Sorry my post was so long, I just really appreciate Cesar and wanted to give me two cents on the whole matter.

 

[Fly 2006]

Did C.M invent the shock collar? No is the answer to that, so which methods of C M have helped you and your dog, have you punched him in the face as well or strung him up on a choke chain or maybe you have pinned him to the floor until he is too exhausted to fight you anymore? And yes I have watched enough of his shows to see him perform all of these things, I have seen dogs left with tails between their legs and lifeless eyes, they have been beaten down and go along with his demands through fear only, no respect no love just fear!

 

[PoultryPower]

I never said Cesar invented the shock collar. I merely said that I use his techniques with it.

I think the problem you are having understanding his techniques is that you humanize dogs.
Dogs are not humans and should not be treated as such. Treating dogs as humans leads to behavioral problems, every trainer will tell you this.
You can not look at dog behavior through human eyes. I would hope you would never run up to someone barking and bite them, pee in your neighbor's yard, sniff someone's butt, or hump your friend. Dogs aren't humans and don't act like them, Cesar uses dog techniques on dogs, he isn't making up his own, this is why his methods are so effective. I would almost say that he doesn't even have any techniques because he didn't make up any of them, he simply copies what dogs do.

Pinning a dog to the ground is a very common act in the dog world, my dog does it all the time.
When a dog pins another dog to the ground it is an assertion of dominance, it shocks the other dog to be pushed around like this because they thought they were the leader, now all of a sudden another dog is coming up to them and saying "I'm in charge now". An alpha dog may also pin another dog to the ground to correct the dog, this is like saying "I'm in charge, I make the rules and what you just did was out of line". It's like when a parent corrects their child, the child may be shocked when the parent corrects them if the parent has never corrected them before.
When Cesar lets a dog out of the submissive position, the dog no longer knows what to do with itself because it is no longer in charge and no longer allowed to continue the behavior it was doing. It takes a little while for the dog to figure out the new situation.

I think what you are referring to by "stringing a dog up on a choke chain" is when a dog is acting out in aggression and Cesar holds the dog out and away from himself to let the dog let his aggression out. Cesar has to protect himself, he deals with extremely aggressive dogs, he does it in a calm and well meaning way. By holding the dog out and away from himself, the dog can get all the aggression out and calm back down without hurting anyone. When my dog used to freak out at other dogs I would hold the leash out away from myself because my dog would jump up on me. I would let my dog work out the negative energy until he was calm, then he would come back to my side and we would continue walking. The dog doesn't act out because Cesar was holding the dog out on the leash, the dog was acting out before this and Cesar was using this technique to keep himself and others safe.

I have never seen Cesar punch a dog in the face. Cesar has been bitten many times by dogs, if he was that angry at dogs then he would have seriously hurt one of those dogs back. He always forgives the dogs for biting him and moves on. Look how he acted when Holly the Labrador bit him, he did kick the dog in a effort to get the dog to release his hand, but as soon as that dog let go, he didn't continue beating the dog, he faced the dog and asserted his dominance until Holly became submissive. I'm sure if a dog was attacking you like that you would have tried to kick the dog off you. He was extremely calm and only kicked the dog once, he didn't continue kicking the dog.

Some of the methods I used of Cesar's were remaining calm in all situations, forgetting the past and living in the present, being the pack leader to my dog, exiting and entering before my dog, and leading my dog on walks.

If you watch enough negative videos on youtube of anything, you will begin to agree with them, keep an open mind and understand that he is saving lives and reuniting families with their dogs.
Most of the trainers on youtube who speak ill of him would never take on the cases he takes on and if they did, they probably would not have as much success as him.

 

[fowl farm]

Did C.M invent the shock collar? No is the answer to that, so which methods of C M have helped you and your dog, have you punched him in the face as well or strung him up on a choke chain or maybe you have pinned him to the floor until he is too exhausted to fight you anymore? And yes I have watched enough of his shows to see him perform all of these things, I have seen dogs left with tails between their legs and lifeless eyes, they have been beaten down and go along with his demands through fear only, no respect no love just fear!

Mmmm, I think you are going a little over the top there. C.M doesn't punch dogs in the face. There is a difference between a smack and a punch. And he always makes a point of telling the owner not to hurt them. Dominant dogs are constantly pinning dogs who step out of line to the ground. That's THEIR language, no matter how barbaric it seems. And ducking their tails between their legs is a way of saying " Okay, I get it." They do it to other dogs just to avoid being pinned. It doesn't mean they no longer have any life in them.

So, you don't like C.M. That's your business, but he isn't a barbaric caveman with out of dates methods.

 

[fowl farm]

Fly 2006, how would you fix an aggressive dog? I mean, you dislike C.M's methods, and from other posts I've seen I know you're a good trainer, but how would you do it?

Edit-
Okay, I re-read it and it sounds like I'm saying that because you dislike C.M you aren't a good trainer. Sorry! Not what I meant, fixed it. Sorry!

 

[dainerra]

Actually, dogs DON'T go around shoving each other to the ground. If two dogs get into a fight, there will be shoving barking etc but one of the dogs gives up and puts himself on the ground.
The problem with alpha rolling a dog (and CM actually tells people not to do it for this reason) is that it's s good way to lose your face. He works with cases of very serious aggression and knitted the risk. However, 99% of the dog population aren't out to take over the world. They may be acting dominant because their owner isn't taking charge (like a scared or spoiled child acts) but they ate more than eager to take a back seat. So using these methods on them is like shooting a fly with a bazooka. A truly dominant dog, on the other hand, will fight for his power. Not the grumbling kicking struggles that most dogs do trying to get away but an all out fight. And a human is no match for a dog in most cases

 

[PoultryPower]

Actually, dogs DON'T go around shoving each other to the ground. If two dogs get into a fight, there will be shoving barking etc but one of the dogs gives up and puts himself on the ground.

I get where your coming from, but one of my dogs just did it to a neighbor dog about a week ago when the neighbor dog was approaching us in a confrontational dominant way.
No biting, no bleeding, he just walked right up to the dog (he was so calm I almost thought he was going to just say hi) and pushed the dog over and stood over him barking.
My dog is very protective of me when I'm out with him, he doesn't like it when a dog approaches us in a dominant manner.

 

[Fly 2006]

I never said Cesar invented the shock collar. I merely said that I use his techniques with it.

I think the problem you are having understanding his techniques is that you humanize dogs.
Dogs are not humans and should not be treated as such. Treating dogs as humans leads to behavioral problems, every trainer will tell you this.
You can not look at dog behavior through human eyes. I would hope you would never run up to someone barking and bite them, pee in your neighbor's yard, sniff someone's butt, or hump your friend. Dogs aren't humans and don't act like them, Cesar uses dog techniques on dogs, he isn't making up his own, this is why his methods are so effective. I would almost say that he doesn't even have any techniques because he didn't make up any of them, he simply copies what dogs do.

Pinning a dog to the ground is a very common act in the dog world, my dog does it all the time.
When a dog pins another dog to the ground it is an assertion of dominance, it shocks the other dog to be pushed around like this because they thought they were the leader, now all of a sudden another dog is coming up to them and saying "I'm in charge now". An alpha dog may also pin another dog to the ground to correct the dog, this is like saying "I'm in charge, I make the rules and what you just did was out of line". It's like when a parent corrects their child, the child may be shocked when the parent corrects them if the parent has never corrected them before.
When Cesar lets a dog out of the submissive position, the dog no longer knows what to do with itself because it is no longer in charge and no longer allowed to continue the behavior it was doing. It takes a little while for the dog to figure out the new situation.

I think what you are referring to by "stringing a dog up on a choke chain" is when a dog is acting out in aggression and Cesar holds the dog out and away from himself to let the dog let his aggression out. Cesar has to protect himself, he deals with extremely aggressive dogs, he does it in a calm and well meaning way. By holding the dog out and away from himself, the dog can get all the aggression out and calm back down without hurting anyone. When my dog used to freak out at other dogs I would hold the leash out away from myself because my dog would jump up on me. I would let my dog work out the negative energy until he was calm, then he would come back to my side and we would continue walking. The dog doesn't act out because Cesar was holding the dog out on the leash, the dog was acting out before this and Cesar was using this technique to keep himself and others safe.

I have never seen Cesar punch a dog in the face. Cesar has been bitten many times by dogs, if he was that angry at dogs then he would have seriously hurt one of those dogs back. He always forgives the dogs for biting him and moves on. Look how he acted when Holly the Labrador bit him, he did kick the dog in a effort to get the dog to release his hand, but as soon as that dog let go, he didn't continue beating the dog, he faced the dog and asserted his dominance until Holly became submissive. I'm sure if a dog was attacking you like that you would have tried to kick the dog off you. He was extremely calm and only kicked the dog once, he didn't continue kicking the dog.

Some of the methods I used of Cesar's were remaining calm in all situations, forgetting the past and living in the present, being the pack leader to my dog, exiting and entering before my dog, and leading my dog on walks.

If you watch enough negative videos on youtube of anything, you will begin to agree with them, keep an open mind and understand that he is saving lives and reuniting families with their dogs.
Most of the trainers on youtube who speak ill of him would never take on the cases he takes on and if they did, they probably would not have as much success as him.
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Ok, I have to say I take great offence that you assume that because I don't agree with C M that I humanise dogs!! If you had read any of my other posts you would know that I most certainly do not! What you need to remember is that whilst dogs are not humans and certainly should not be treated as such, we are not dogs and should not behave as such, do you seriously think that dogs are stupid enough to react in the same way to our actions and another dogs actions, infact you say this yourself, " You cannot look at dog behaviour through human eyes" Dogs are dogs, we are human and we need to establish a dog/human bond, we are not alpha dog we are the owner of a dog and we need to be in control, simple as that!