Tell Me This Is Not CL

[oldhenlikesdogs]

Could it be were a wattle would be if it had them? Just a thought.

 

[cassie]

I called a long time ADGA judge and asked her about wattles in Nigerians. She couldn't remember if they ever had them either, but she said this is something she wouldn't have noticed. There isn't any reason why they couldn't or wouldn't have them.

 

[chickens really]

It looks like CL. However, no matter what ANYONE tells you, and that includes your vet, CL really isn't all that big a deal. It can be controlled and eradicated. It does take persistence and commitment, however. When I started breeding goats in the late 60's many herds, including mine were infected with it. You could not go to a show of any size without seeing a goat or two with abscesses. I managed to get rid of CL and the other breeders I know did it too, and we didn't cull CL positive animals either. If you need or want detailed instructions on how to deal with CL, contact me. By the way, the most important thing about controlling the spread of CL is to make sure a ripe abscess doesn't rupture in the barn or corrals where other animals can contact the pus. If you want to know how to lance abscesses so you don't expose other goats I can tell you that, too. I did write up instructions on how to deal with CL and I can send a copy to anyone who wants it. Everything in there has been field tested in multiple herds by multiple breeders. Meaning by doing what it says we got rid of CL and it never came back.

Awesome information. I honestly hope your correct though in this information given...

 

[DellaMyDarling]

Anyone know of a lab to test non blood samples for goats? Coming up dry.

 

[cassie]

Anyone know of a lab to test non blood samples for goats? Coming up dry.

Test for what exactly?

 

[chickens really]

Test for what exactly?

I believe she is trying to get a sample from the abscess and coming up dry?

 

[cassie]

I believe she is trying to get a sample from the abscess and coming up dry?

Any veterinary office ought to be able to run a bacterial culture to find out what bacteria is causing the abscess. When I had my goats I didn't care what was causing the abscess. I treated all abscesses the same.

 

[cassie]

@cassie
I'll send a PM when I can.

Contacted seller, and she has ability to quarantine her there. So off she goes for now.
I presume step 1 is abscess drain and send to lab, something I have 0 experience doing.

When she arrived I noticed her udder area had a crusty oozy thing going on. 0 pics online or literature about such a condition. Posted on BYH and only really had one response thinking it could by lymph on overdrive. I figured treat with good minerals and supplement.
Now I'm worried it was nasty CL the whole time, spreading all over every goat surface.
My rejected baby got milk from the same farm.

Only "cures" I saw online were started with an $850 lab analyses to develop a vaccine of sorts.

This may or may not make you feel better. CL is spread primarily by exposure to pus from a draining abscess. Essentially, no pus, no spread.

 

[DellaMyDarling]

I personally have such a whirlwind of things happening, leaving short replies.
We have a problem of vets in my area. Most vets only do cats and dogs. There are a few livestock vets I found on Google but there is a minimum $120 charge just to step on my property. As I did ask them aboutrunning tests before, we're talking a solid $460 quote.

Excuse my French, but that's bull****
I've learned how to perform all sorts of things on my creatures thanks to sites such as this. I do know of several labs that I can send blood to for tests. What I cannot seem to find is one that takes culture samples. They clearly exist, since many smaller vets don't do that in house and send it out.
Just read through Merck Vet page and relieved myself slightly that there can be a good 5 or so things other than CL presenting the same. The culture sample is of utmost importance however, or we'll never know.
This is coming at a time where I cannot yet add another pasture, I have a doe and 2 kids to sell, and a third baby drinking raw milk from potentially infected sources. The flame is getting hot.

 

[cassie]

I live in a primarily agricultural area. I just assumed, perhaps mistakenly, that having cultures done is easy and routine. Since I no longer have livestock, I have no idea how much a farm call costs here. That said, you can pasteurize the milk. I never fed raw goat milk to my kids, not because of CL, but because of Pasteurella and CAE. All you have to do is heat it to I believe 165 degrees for a few seconds but you might want to check that. It might be 170. It has been many years since I have had to pasteurize milk. When I had cows I could just give the baby kids the raw cow milk and the calves got the raw goat milk and I didn't have to pasteurize any milk. Unless the doe has a CL abscess in her udder, it is unlikely she will transmit CL in her milk to a nursing kid. At least I never had that happen. Every case of CL I ever had in my goats could be traced back to exposure to pus from a draining abscess.