The ‘I’ve Got The COVID Shot Club’!

[KarynVA]

So what, facts. Just the facts ma'am

I said, "I believe" because I don't know for sure and I don't want to mislead people.

Is that okay?

People who want the facts about what I said are welcome to look it up.

 

[Disheygirl]

Well, actually, her point is valid. I agree with her. No research study is perfect, which is why I knew there are flaws with this one and the previous one I posted, so I posted a third reference. The third one I posted is a compilation of studies and involves large sample sizes.

I think it has been shown with the combination of all this research that her statement that asymptomatic transmission "has been disproven" is not correct. Many studies, while some with flaws, have illustrated that asymtomatic transmission does occur. Also, I don't need studies to show me that; I live in a community with thousands of college students and the community spread from people without symptoms was happening right before our eyes, here.

But why are we concerned with transmission? We should be concerned with mortality rates - which are almost null. Either we erradicated the flu, or those positives and deaths were counted as COVID. Because testing was greater in 2020 than in 2019 but positive results fell by 95%. And not because they were reported as negative - because they weren’t reported as flu results. This is all on the CDC‘s website - download the raw data.

I work in healthcare and there are a lot - A LOT - of inconsistencies behind the scenes. I absolutely know COVID is real - I had it, as did my entire family - but the fallout from it was absolutely manufactured using fear tactics and control. Never in history has a civilization quarantined an entire population to protect the vast minority. Instead, they quarantine the vast minority. So why was this different? Because of money and power. I am nowhere near a conspiracy theorist, but follow the money. Who stood to gain the most from this?

I saw a comment on India. Has anyone been to India? I have. It is a different world from anything in the US. It’s a giant country so I’m not going to make vast generalizations, but the cities hit hardest (a la the media) are those where people live in abject poverty, and they are the same cities I’ve been to. I don’t mean the kind of poverty with cell phones and government checks. I mean sleeping on dirt under a tin roof, or on garbage dumps, and rummaging through the same garbage for food. Washing clothes in the same river that sewage flows freely into. If the US media cared about people, and not just sensationalism, the past few weeks wouldn’t be the first time they were spreading suffering over our airwaves. But here’s the thing - they don’t care. They care about their ratings and money. They used pictures from other events and called it COVID. I have coworkers in the same cities who said that yes, there is a surge, but it’s the same surge as they see with the flu. Sensationalism sells.

Questioning the “system” doesn’t mean that you don’t care about people. It means that critical thinking isn’t dead and that you understand that not everything is what it seems on the surface. I appreciate people’s views even when they’re vastly different than mine; there just has to be a reason that doesn’t include regurgitation (not suggesting that’s you - this is a general comment).

 

[KarynVA]

"But why are we concerned with transmission? We should be concerned with mortality rates"

Well, I cannot speak for anyone else, but I, personally, am concerned about transmission because it is still not known the entire impact of having the virus. Even some of those who experienced mild cases are having 'long haul' symptoms: brain fog, ongoing loss or changes of taste and smell; organ damage.

Even if I get covid and experience no symptoms (feel "great"), there is no guarantee my body won't suffer some unknown impacts of this new virus. I don't want to take that chance, for me, for my family, or my neighbors and community.

 

[KarynVA]

Never in history has a civilization quarantined an entire population to protect the vast minority.

Not true. The 1918 flu epidemic involved large-scale quarantine of everyone, not just those who had the flu.

"Many people quickly grew furious with the inconveniences of isolation. “We were quarrentined [sic] on account of the Spanish Influenza and everyone is mad,” reads a letter written by a soldier stationed in South Carolina. Another soldier was annoyed that the quarantine prevented him from sending his family a Christmas gift. In St. Louis, Health Commissioner Max Starkloff made the controversial decision to order the closure of schools, movie theaters, bars, and—most devastatingly—public sporting events. The papers were in an uproar: “INFLUENZA THREATENS FOOTBALL HERE,” blared the St. Louis Globe Democrat. “MEASURES OF THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT CAUSING THE TEAMS MUCH UNEASINESS.” The St. Louis Post-Dispatch dedicated article after article to the subject: “QUARANTINE MAY LAST FOUR WEEKS; FOOTBALL SET BACK,” read one headline. “THE FOOTBALL GAMES ARE ALL OFF. THE SPANISH ‘FLU’ HAS PUT A DAMPER ON THE GRIDIRON,” read another."

 

[Sierra G]

But why are we concerned with transmission? We should be concerned with mortality rates - which are almost null.

That's an oversimplification and if you're in healthcare you should realize that. Transmission rates are variable and so are mortality rates. When transmission rates were high, mortality rates spiked, not just because more people were sick, but because there were fewer resources available for each individual case. You need trained medical personnel to control mortality rates. Everyone can help control transmission rates.

The incidence of the flu was down last year because even the most basic protocols like handwashing and social distancing also limit transmission of the flu. If you want to claim that flu deaths were counted as covid deaths we'll need more proof that "that's the only explanation for why there was so little flu". It's equally probable that early covid cases were counted as flu.

But to get back to your original statement, are mortality rates from covid null in India? Or are they just good enough that we can ignore transmission here unless the mortality rate matches India's? Vaccinated people can still catch the disease. Twelve vaccinated people died in California, along with lots of unvaccinated ones. But people want to be able to leave their homes, go to concerts and ball games, and reassure themselves this is all over. Tell me, as a healthcare worker, what do you think the result of that is going to be?

Because I think transmission rates will go up and so will the mortality rate. We have a vaccine that's not perfect and no widely available, effective protocols for treatment. We don't have enough people vaccinated for herd immunity and without incentives, education, and coersion we won't get there. And once it starts spiking again people will blame the government rather than themselves and even more of them will be resistant to quarantine- because it obviously isn't working.

We have to worry about transmission rates because they're the only things we're sure we can control about covid and its variants. Capisce?

 

[chicken3fly]

Link? You really can't believe everything you see online.

I know, but the virus is an evoulution of the cold, so if that evolves, we have to make a new vaccine for that,and it would evolve again and again, Plus Covid-19 doesn’t even effect young people, they are just taking the vaccine so they don’t spread it, Plus the vaccine Isn’t made normally, instead of giving you a bit of the virus so that you build up antibodies, it just gives you the antibodies. I’m not really against that. But the FDA hasn’t tested it yet, they gave it emergency approval. Sorry everyone, I’m not trying to stop you from getting it if you want, Just providing my opinion.

 

[chicken3fly]

I also saw a video of someone claiming the vaccine made you into a pig. It’s best not to trust everything you find on the internet.

True.

 

[chicken3fly]

Out of all the conspiracies I've heard.. also tiktok? Look with all due respect I find it SO weird that so many boomers, maybe not you that's fine I'm talking generally now, but the same folks who would tell us repeatedly "don't believe everything you read on the internet!" Are now the same folks being fooled by false information constantly on Facebook and apparently tiktok now too. You really, really can't believe tiktok.

That’s probably true.. I just have some trust issues..

 

[Blue Raptor]

Please vote! I’d love to know and I won’t judge.

Join the club if you’re getting it or have got it!

No need! I got COVID and nothing out of the ordinary happened to me. In fact, my whole family got it and we didn’t know until we went on a snowboarding trip, when my dad was out of breath and had headaches and could barely breath for no reason! He got tested and it came back positive, so we knew we all had COVID. It didn’t affect us in any other way!

 

[KarynVA]

But the FDA hasn’t tested it yet, they gave it emergency approval. Sorry everyone, I’m not trying to stop you from getting it if you want, Just providing my opinion.

This is not true and you were misinformed, wherever you got that from. Whenever you see something like that, simply check with the source for example, in (this case, the FDA).

Are the COVID-19 vaccines rigorously tested?​

Yes. Clinical trials are evaluating investigational COVID-19 vaccines in tens of thousands of study participants to generate the scientific data and other information needed by FDA to determine safety and effectiveness. These clinical trials are being conducted according to the rigorous standards set forth by the FDA.

The FDA evaluated data from clinical studies that included tens of thousands of people for each COVID-19 vaccine. The FDA authorized the vaccines because the data from these studies clearly showed that the known and potential benefits of the FDA-authorized COVID-19 vaccines outweighed the known and potential risks.