The AMERAUCANA thread

I'd say do a test breeding and go from there. I think he's a handsome fellow!
I think I'll end up doing that in the spring unless his brothers really outshine him. Pair him with a hen or two he'd compliment for the most part and see how that goes. I just fear hatching a ton more high-tailed birds; the look of a super short back/high tail isn't very ideal to me, but he's quite pretty otherwise.
 
@NagemTX how are the silver bantam cockerels from GypsyHen shaping up? I think both you kept are bearded so I'm sure you'll be able to fix the nonbearded-ness, but are either looking good color or shape wise as they mature?
I'll get some new pictures of them once I'm done building out this brooder / integration pen in my largest hoopcoop. They are both looking good. From GypsyHen and the rest of the breed club: Silver bantams are in the worst shape as a whole for the breed. So its not supersizing they don't fit the standard. They are going to be my toughest project going forward.

I have an order for 1doz LF silvers from freshly picked chicks that are the same lines as GypsyHen. I'm putting in an order for 1/2 doz LF from GypsyHen and 1doz bantam from her too. Hope to get more females this time around.

If I ever have to cut back on projects I'll be down to just working on LF Silvers and Bantam Silvers.
 
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I'll get some new pictures of them once I'm done building out this brooder / integration pen in my largest hoopcoop. They are both looking good. From GypsyHen and the rest of the breed club: Silver bantams are in the worst shape as a whole for the breed. So its not supersizing they don't fit the standard. They are going to be my toughest project going forward.

I have an order for 1doz LF silvers from freshly picked chicks that are the same lines as GypsyHen. I'm putting in an order for 1/2 doz LF from GypsyHen and 1doz bantam from her too. Hope to get more females this time around.

If I ever have to cut back on projects I'll be down to just working on LF Silvers and Bantam Silvers.
Good luck with getting more females. Sounds like the silvers are going to take a lot of focus to work on.
 
Good luck with getting more females. Sounds like the silvers are going to take a lot of focus to work on.
Oh they are. Silvers and the Brown Reds are the most endangered of the Ameraucana verities. I want Brown Reds(gold birchen) eventually. Then I can work on silve birchen, add blue to the birchen and Silvers, and gold to the silvers.

I would be all Ameraucana and working with the two base colors I like.🥰
 
The other LF male.
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The two bantam males. This ones beared was picked at by the females.
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2nd male.
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Easter-eggers like what Murray McMurray sells aren't even mixed-color Ameraucanas. Their Easter-eggers have traits that you couldn't get out of just mixing true Ameraucana colors, traits that were bred out of Ameraucanas along the way as the breed was being established, so them trying to claim that they're just mixed color and are really for real Ameraucanas doesn't even make sense. They've maintained their line of these birds since before Ameraucanas were standardized; their line is essentially what existed before the standard, basically a branch on the same family tree. Kind of like how Barred Plymouth Rocks were bred from Dominiques (among other breeds), yet despite their similarities Dominiques are not considered the same thing as Barred Plymouth Rocks. Easter-eggers share ancestry with Ameraucanas, but that does not make them the same thing.

McMurray just stubbornly refuses to acknowledge that their Easter-eggers are not true Ameraucanas because the term 'Ameraucana' was simply what was used to describe bearded, blue or green egg laying chickens back in the day before the breed actually entered the standard. And before that, 'Easter egg chickens' were called Araucanas, right up until that breed was standardized, which is why you still see some EEs referred to as such. But it's been like 40 years at this point since Ameraucanas were standardized, so I'm not sure why McMurray have decided to die on this hill when most of the other large hatcheries have caught up to modern day and started labeling their EEs properly without issues. :idunno

In short, Easter-eggers like what McMurray sells as 'mixed-color Ameraucanas' aren't even part Ameraucana technically, they're more like cousins of the breed.

So well said. I know that a lot of the original folk who started this thread either haven't been around or are "quiet" & others started & then disappeared.

I want to add - today's EEs aren't even just Ameraucana mixes. In other words, the slate legs/beaks, pea combs, muffs & beards they used to have aren't always there.

Other blue egg layers have been on scene since at least 2011. WTB & WTG (they were created by Dr Whiting & were TMd. Not sure if they still are, but were/are only sold by Murray McMurray. I believe I've seen individuals breeding & selling them now as chicks - seem to breed true?), CLBs, Blue Eggers (not sure what breeds were used to create these, but body type to me looks Plymouth Rock-ish) & Prairie Blue Bell. Soooo, "todays" EEs can have single, pea or modified pea combs; various beak colors & shapes; yellow or willow shanks & toes. Body types all appear to have become lighter/more angular, too, in the hatchery EEs & a lot of the so called Ameraucana that a couple of hatcheries are selling...

I have also "run into" a lot of "breeders" that are selling chicks & hatching eggs (of various breeds/varieties) that either don't like to answer questions or are literally just keeping the parent birds w/ NO hatching/keeping of their own replacement breeding birds. I've steered clear of those after getting somewhat burned by my 1st breeder birds (8 Blue Ameraucana chicks - a black roo over 3 splash hens) in 2014. Some charge the same amount that long time, experienced breeders do for both hatching eggs & chicks.

Currently, I don't have any Ameraucana. I've had both BBS (paul Smith & John blehm lines, but not sure how many generations current breeder) & Self Blue (forgot what lines originated, breeder i got them from has other breeds/varieties now). I want some - in favor of BBS and Lavender.

I REALLY want some bantams. There used to be some breeders here in NC. Not sure who is still active. Will be checking & go from there.

AND YYYYY???? do I seem to gravitate to breeds that are going through "major" upheaval? Arabians, QH, American Paint Horses, Welsh ponies, American Shetand ponies, Aussies, Pomeranian, Ameraucana (there are currently TWO organizations due to a split in 2014(?) - i am a member of both), CLB, Bielefelder... i would actually LOVE to find some Smallanders (spelling? Originally imported by GFF, now gone?)...

The hatchery stock of today do not seem to be the same as they were in 2011, when we started w/ chickens. Most breeds appear to be "flock mated"
at hatcheries. A large group of hens with 2 or more roosters. Even some breeders do this & its accepted. But I feel that no one is going through & evaluating for good breed traits. The "Heritage" breeds from hatcheries, have NO comparison to true breeders' birds (in most cases). Type, color, age of maturity, age of POL, years continue to lay are all affected. To continually improve any or all of these is WORK & pricey. Type, color & egg color can be lost in 1-2 generation if an owner who decides to breed doesn't pay attention - I've experienced this myself - especially type & egg color.

I'm sooo sorry. My brain just hid. I have no idea where I was going w/ this...
 
So well said. I know that a lot of the original folk who started this thread either haven't been around or are "quiet" & others started & then disappeared.

I want to add - today's EEs aren't even just Ameraucana mixes. In other words, the slate legs/beaks, pea combs, muffs & beards they used to have aren't always there.

Other blue egg layers have been on scene since at least 2011. WTB & WTG (they were created by Dr Whiting & were TMd. Not sure if they still are, but were/are only sold by Murray McMurray. I believe I've seen individuals breeding & selling them now as chicks - seem to breed true?), CLBs, Blue Eggers (not sure what breeds were used to create these, but body type to me looks Plymouth Rock-ish) & Prairie Blue Bell. Soooo, "todays" EEs can have single, pea or modified pea combs; various beak colors & shapes; yellow or willow shanks & toes. Body types all appear to have become lighter/more angular, too, in the hatchery EEs & a lot of the so called Ameraucana that a couple of hatcheries are selling...

I have also "run into" a lot of "breeders" that are selling chicks & hatching eggs (of various breeds/varieties) that either don't like to answer questions or are literally just keeping the parent birds w/ NO hatching/keeping of their own replacement breeding birds. I've steered clear of those after getting somewhat burned by my 1st breeder birds (8 Blue Ameraucana chicks - a black roo over 3 splash hens) in 2014. Some charge the same amount that long time, experienced breeders do for both hatching eggs & chicks.

Currently, I don't have any Ameraucana. I've had both BBS (paul Smith & John blehm lines, but not sure how many generations current breeder) & Self Blue (forgot what lines originated, breeder i got them from has other breeds/varieties now). I want some - in favor of BBS and Lavender.

I REALLY want some bantams. There used to be some breeders here in NC. Not sure who is still active. Will be checking & go from there.

AND YYYYY???? do I seem to gravitate to breeds that are going through "major" upheaval? Arabians, QH, American Paint Horses, Welsh ponies, American Shetand ponies, Aussies, Pomeranian, Ameraucana (there are currently TWO organizations due to a split in 2014(?) - i am a member of both), CLB, Bielefelder... i would actually LOVE to find some Smallanders (spelling? Originally imported by GFF, now gone?)...

The hatchery stock of today do not seem to be the same as they were in 2011, when we started w/ chickens. Most breeds appear to be "flock mated"
at hatcheries. A large group of hens with 2 or more roosters. Even some breeders do this & its accepted. But I feel that no one is going through & evaluating for good breed traits. The "Heritage" breeds from hatcheries, have NO comparison to true breeders' birds (in most cases). Type, color, age of maturity, age of POL, years continue to lay are all affected. To continually improve any or all of these is WORK & pricey. Type, color & egg color can be lost in 1-2 generation if an owner who decides to breed doesn't pay attention - I've experienced this myself - especially type & egg color.

I'm sooo sorry. My brain just hid. I have no idea where I was going w/ this...
The only hatchery that I have used seams to be pretty good. My Ameraucanas come from Cackle and I've been told through evaluation they will be a good start. Cackle actually supported the Ohio national and showed some of their birds there.
 
So well said. I know that a lot of the original folk who started this thread either haven't been around or are "quiet" & others started & then disappeared.

I want to add - today's EEs aren't even just Ameraucana mixes. In other words, the slate legs/beaks, pea combs, muffs & beards they used to have aren't always there.

Other blue egg layers have been on scene since at least 2011. WTB & WTG (they were created by Dr Whiting & were TMd. Not sure if they still are, but were/are only sold by Murray McMurray. I believe I've seen individuals breeding & selling them now as chicks - seem to breed true?), CLBs, Blue Eggers (not sure what breeds were used to create these, but body type to me looks Plymouth Rock-ish) & Prairie Blue Bell. Soooo, "todays" EEs can have single, pea or modified pea combs; various beak colors & shapes; yellow or willow shanks & toes. Body types all appear to have become lighter/more angular, too, in the hatchery EEs & a lot of the so called Ameraucana that a couple of hatcheries are selling...

I have also "run into" a lot of "breeders" that are selling chicks & hatching eggs (of various breeds/varieties) that either don't like to answer questions or are literally just keeping the parent birds w/ NO hatching/keeping of their own replacement breeding birds. I've steered clear of those after getting somewhat burned by my 1st breeder birds (8 Blue Ameraucana chicks - a black roo over 3 splash hens) in 2014. Some charge the same amount that long time, experienced breeders do for both hatching eggs & chicks.

Currently, I don't have any Ameraucana. I've had both BBS (paul Smith & John blehm lines, but not sure how many generations current breeder) & Self Blue (forgot what lines originated, breeder i got them from has other breeds/varieties now). I want some - in favor of BBS and Lavender.

I REALLY want some bantams. There used to be some breeders here in NC. Not sure who is still active. Will be checking & go from there.

AND YYYYY???? do I seem to gravitate to breeds that are going through "major" upheaval? Arabians, QH, American Paint Horses, Welsh ponies, American Shetand ponies, Aussies, Pomeranian, Ameraucana (there are currently TWO organizations due to a split in 2014(?) - i am a member of both), CLB, Bielefelder... i would actually LOVE to find some Smallanders (spelling? Originally imported by GFF, now gone?)...

The hatchery stock of today do not seem to be the same as they were in 2011, when we started w/ chickens. Most breeds appear to be "flock mated"
at hatcheries. A large group of hens with 2 or more roosters. Even some breeders do this & its accepted. But I feel that no one is going through & evaluating for good breed traits. The "Heritage" breeds from hatcheries, have NO comparison to true breeders' birds (in most cases). Type, color, age of maturity, age of POL, years continue to lay are all affected. To continually improve any or all of these is WORK & pricey. Type, color & egg color can be lost in 1-2 generation if an owner who decides to breed doesn't pay attention - I've experienced this myself - especially type & egg color.

I'm sooo sorry. My brain just hid. I have no idea where I was going w/ this...
Red Roof Hens in NC has a bantam line of BBS Ameraucanas and some other project colors. I have some of her BBS and while they’re not perfect, they’re healthy and great temperament and a great starting point. Some of her line and their sons I mixed with another line I have. :)
 

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