The American Cemani Breeders Club...open forum

[birdman55]

this is true but are you going to give them up for 5 bucks...prolly not...I get fully grown chickens for 5 bucks...

 

[bluenkimchi]

100 chickens? We better get breeding these black birds

100 is not just for the wife's 30 day diet only but more like for the whole family to eat many meals. They aren't the huge broiler Cornish X type, but smaller layers or dual purpose type of chickens.

The thing is most Asian ethnic and I'm sure other ethnic as well, enjoy freshly processed meat over those prepacked store bought baby birds they call chickens. So, if the price is good, they buy in bulk to save and store in the freezer for future meals. This also goes for cattle and pork as well. Buying a whole animal is cheaper and more cost friendly than precut and package at the stores every time you want to eat a steak

 

[birdman55]

this is true..however having 16 brothers and sisters...those birds were gone in a week...

 

[bluenkimchi]

I hear you on that, the bigger the family, the more it takes to feed them and 100 is sure going to go by fast

 

[bluenkimchi]

But cemani culls or hybrids would probably work

Cemani culls and hybrid will work, but price and size of the bird is a factor. As of now, the way how TM, GFF, and the Smithies look, they don't have much on them to eat. But a hybrid to a larger breed will work. Asians likes a bit tougher meat texture, like 6-8+ month old birds.

Crossing to Oriental gamefowls and dual purpose breeds are a good cross. This provide size and production values to the fm hybrid that your going to sell.

Something like these FM birds from this video works for the Asian community

Just a food for thought, selling your culls or hybrids on the sides for eating purpose can help fund/supplement your projects if need a little extra...................and you will never have to disclose that they are cemani culls, just sell them as black skin meat birds if you like

 

[maranfarmer563]

I have Malays I can cross on cemani, also have Cornish to cross

 

[bluenkimchi]

I have Malays I can cross on cemani, also have Cornish to cross

Malay and Cornish should provide ample amount of meat for a meal

in Thailand, they have these 3 types for eating purpose

Kai dam Phu phan(oriental game fowl shape/build with both pea and single comb version)



Yunnan silky(single comb, often with some feather shank/this one is clean shank, and most time are lighter fm pigmentation, but his one is exceptionally dark)



black Mongolian(larger, heavier build with clean shank and almost always dark mulberry or black fm pigmentation)

 

[Double Kindness]

Those look pretty black and big to me! If I could get those to add to my black meat chicken project. I was going to leave one of my white bresse pullets with the cemani for a bigger black meat chicken since my line is not the best anyways. And I have a better blacker male now too, but am not getting the crow reduction surgery on him.

I have finally resigned myself to selling off my laying flock to make room for more white bresse and svart honas and ayam cemani in the spring (better lines). The neighbors are talking I can use the buildings in the a joining yard to increase my urban farming aspirations. But they are much closer to the busy road. I can't free range due to predators, but at this rate my entire property will be covered in bird block netting to keep squirrels and other birds out. Amazon is probably wondering why I'm ordering so much fish netting and bird block netting.

My friend hatched out more non Smithsonian cemani and has kept the blackest ones for us to possibly breed with. A few are coming out very black. She has gff pair that will start laying in the spring, at which time I may cull most of mine to eat.

I also contemplated using one of my cemani pullets in the bresse pen to see what pops out. For meat, not breeding.
I personally think that the cemani line I have make for good sized birds at 6 months or so for eating, much bigger than silkies.

Now Santa asked me to be specific about which 2 incubators I want. I really want to hatch and even though I'm fazing out my colored egg laying flock, I'll probably hatch from them to figure out how and not planning on hatching eggs from the bresse and cemani until they're laying a bit first.

I have a supplemental led rope light, but am still on the fence about installing it. I didn't vent from the warm barn to the coop either. The next step is to cut new panels from 1/2" hardware cloth to screw into the pen and add more roosting spaces, moving the muscovies to the laying flock pen. Hstd to believe it's December in CO and how fast the babies are growing.

My bf admits he hates caponizing, so we may not continue to try to do so. I wish my hand were more steady for me to try my hand at it, but many deaths would probably result in that. The production red capon we did is much bigger than the regular rooster. So there is merit in caponizing I feel for rooster control and better meat.

 

[bluenkimchi]

If only the black Mongolian was here in the states, they would make great meat project birds. I think they are the size of heavy build Jersey giants or large Australorp? The phuphan are easy to make a copy cat, just take any fm birds and cross with Thai game fowl and select breed for Fm traits. The Yunnan are probably derive from Silkie stocks that have been selectively cross bred for size and appearance.

Your bresse X cemani will be predominately fm white like these after several generation of selective breeding

 

[Double Kindness]

Well I think those are just beautiful! So I should keep a cemani with the bresse, or the opposite or both? I'm mainly concerned with black meat projects and egg production to provide myself and friends with black meat, as I have a pretty interested asian customer base atm.