The Buckeye Thread

[buffalogal]

Quote: I'm a vegetarian, so fortunately for him, his qualities as a meat bird will remain unknown.

However, in my day I've butchered quite a few chickens, and based on my past experience, I'd say he would make a fine pan of fried chicken. (Assuming he hasn't grown to roaster size) We'll catch and weigh him in a bit. He's been the fastest maturing cross breed here this year, the #2 would be the Dom over a production Buff Orphington. You are right about the larger breast on a crossbreed, the commercial broiler industry caught on to that a long time ago, there's no reason why it wouldn't work with just about any cross. On second thought, I don't know that a Silkie would bring much to the table other than feathered legs and off colored skin, but you know what I mean. I have also found that crossing a Buckeye male over another breed hen doesn't have the same rate of growth, I'll try to get pictures of different crosses to illustrate. 2013 is a goat year here, and the birds take advantage of that to surprise me with all kinds of crossbreeds.

 

[slfarms]

You are not a Grand Master of a breed until the APA says you are. He has 41 points as of the last APA yearbook (2012)...he needs 100. I doubt very much that he got 59 points in the few  shows he showed in this season. The most you can get in a show is 25 points and most shows are 5-15 points even if you win best of show (best of show adds 2 points period!). Maybe he has enough, but until the APA issues you the designation, you are not a Grand Master of anything. I am sure he will attain that at some point, but don't jump the gun . I realize you said "unofficially" but I want people to understand that it is not that easy and people usually overestimate their wins. I'm a Grand Master in 8 breeds and no one believes anything I say, so why give him any special credence?  lol

Walt

Walt is correct, the APA has not officially listed Joe as a Grand Master breeder....any reference has been "unofficial". Don Schrider is often credited as a Master Breeder of Buckeyes (his Omega Supplement Sponsors website) but that is not accurate either! Which makes me ponder.....anyone can call themselves a "Master Breeder" but you can't say APA in the same ....the APA doesn't own the right to the term. "As Grand Poohbah wannabe of the ABC, I hereby proclaim Joe Shumaker of Shumaker Farms the First ABC "Grand Master Breeder of Buckeyes" since Nettie Metcalf, effective immediately." LOL


We always listen to you Walt. You provide good input and guidance.

 

[Blueface]

You are not a Grand Master of a breed until the APA says you are. He has 41 points as of the last APA yearbook (2012)...he needs 100. I doubt very much that he got 59 points in the few  shows he showed in this season. The most you can get in a show is 25 points and most shows are 5-15 points even if you win best of show (best of show adds 2 points period!). Maybe he has enough, but until the APA issues you the designation, you are not a Grand Master of anything. I am sure he will attain that at some point, but don't jump the gun . I realize you said "unofficially" but I want people to understand that it is not that easy and people usually overestimate their wins. I'm a Grand Master in 8 breeds and no one believes anything I say, so why give him any special credence?  lol

Walt

I'm flattered with all the talk of me but that ship can sail I think. Time will tell I'm sure; but Walt....I must ask:
" I doubt very much that he got 59 points in the few  shows he showed in this season."
......are you a gambling man? If i was told the correct entry numbers at each show, I'll even lay odds?!?!?

 

[fowlman01]

I'm flattered with all the talk of me but that ship can sail I think. Time will tell I'm sure; but Walt....I must ask:
" I doubt very much that he got 59 points in the few shows he showed in this season."
......are you a gambling man? If i was told the correct entry numbers at each show, I'll even lay odds?!?!?

I have no vices, so I don't gamble.....but I do know what it takes to go from 41 to a 100 and it doesn't seem likely....but hopefully you did obtain that designation. Post a copy of it when you receive it and we will all rejoice. Let me know how many shows and how well you did and I can tell you if you got 100. The number of birds is only part of the equation in these things. Were they national meets?

It is: number of birds in the show, type of APA meet and how far the bird went up to Best of Show. Best in show is only 2 additional points, Res of show 1 additional point. Again until the APA tells you that you have achieved it, it is just speculation. Don't you agree?

Walt

 

[Blueface]

I have no vices, so I don't gamble.....but I do know what it takes to go from 41 to a 100 and it doesn't seem likely....but hopefully you did obtain that designation. Post a copy of it when you receive it and we will all rejoice. Let me know how many shows and how well you did and I can tell you if you got 100. The number of birds is only part of the equation in these things. Were they national meets?

It is: number of birds in the show, type of APA meet and how far the bird went up to Best of Show. Best in show is only 2 additional points, Res of show 1 additional point.  Again until the APA tells you that you have achieved it, it is just speculation. Don't you agree?

Walt

"I have no vices, so I don't gamble.."

That's a shame; I rather like a wager

I'm well aware of what it takes and the aspects of gaining recognition.

"Again until the APA tells you that you have achieved it, it is just speculation. Don't you agree?"

I have never said anything to the contrary!

 

[JoshU]

Back to purebred buckeyes, here is an image of a 45 degree male tail. Before anyone jumps me, the standard calls for a 40 degree tail. I couldn't find one that shows that angle with a tail similar to the male buckeye. So if you have something similar but not quite this angle, you are correct in the angle. And to also be clear, the female tail should be 30 degrees. This image is only representing the male tail. Also try to keep the tail as wide as possible to avoid the pinched look that many today exhibit. The best way to describe it is rounded across the top like an upside down U and not shaped like an upside down V when looking from the rear.

 

[homeworkin]

I'll wager. Whichever of you loses that bet has to send me a dozen chicks. LOL

At what age do you all select which birds go in the breeding pen?

Is there a cheat sheet somewhere to help a newbie decide how to set up a pair? People talk about which parent contributes color or size or whatever. Hard to keep it all straight. Breeding to the SOP is great if you have some idea how to get there.

 

[slfarms]

I'll wager. Whichever of you loses that bet has to send me a dozen chicks. LOL

At what age do you all select which birds go in the breeding pen?

Is there a cheat sheet somewhere to help a newbie decide how to set up a pair? People talk about which parent contributes color or size or whatever. Hard to keep it all straight. Breeding to the SOP is great if you have some idea how to get there.

The SOP is your cheat sheet. Review the descriptions and pics and look at your birds to determine which ones will work. If you see a flaw in the male pick a female that has that flaw corrected and breed to the male.

Example : roo has spotty under slating but correct tail set, width of back, wide head, type. Pick hen with heavy under slating and correct type to cross with.

 

[fowlman01]

I'll wager. Whichever of you loses that bet has to send me a dozen chicks. LOL

At what age do you all select which birds go in the breeding pen?

Is there a cheat sheet somewhere to help a newbie decide how to set up a pair? People talk about which parent contributes color or size or whatever. Hard to keep it all straight. Breeding to the SOP is great if you have some idea how to get there.

I don't breed from birds until they are over a year old. The reasoning is: many breeds do not show all their faults until they are older. and in fact do not look the way they will eventually look until they are older. If you are starting out and and you want to breed right away go for it, but keep in mind that some traits will not show up until they are more mature. Some breeds mature for up to three years.

Walt

 

[fowlman01]

Back to purebred buckeyes, here is an image of a 45 degree male tail. Before anyone jumps me, the standard calls for a 40 degree tail. I couldn't find one that shows that angle with a tail similar to the male buckeye. So if you have something similar but not quite this angle, you are correct in the angle. And to also be clear, the female tail should be 30 degrees. This image is only representing the male tail. Also try to keep the tail as wide as possible to avoid the pinched look that many today exhibit. The best way to describe it is rounded across the top like an upside down U and not shaped like an upside down V when looking from the rear.

This is helpful. With this people should be able to figure out where 40 or 30 degrees is.

Walt