the cream gene

[flyingmonkeypoop]

Not to take this off topic, but Marvin, what kind of saltwater fish have you bred? I was able to breed my Bangai Cardinals once

I think the legbar color (cream crele looking) would look good on a phoenix

 

[nicalandia]

Not to take this off topic, but Marvin, what kind of saltwater fish have you bred? I was able to breed my Bangai Cardinals once

I think the legbar color (cream crele looking) would look good on a phoenix

Orchid Dottybacks...

I think the Cream Crele has a nice look to it, but I´m not fond of the crest..but that just me

 

[Boggy Bottom Bantams]

Michael
heres one for you. He's the one Toni Marie reminded me about.

has faint barring on the hackles and saddles. Not crele but gives sorta an idea of the look. Kinda hard to see on the light feathering, but it's there

By the way, I had 4 saltwater tanks. never a breeder. But my clowns would always breed readily in it under their anemone. was pretty cool seeing them lay them, defend them and all. Plus being stuck to the rock, you could watch them develop. Oh convict gobies too, they bred like crazy in there.

 

[nicalandia]

Michael
heres one for you. He's the one Toni Marie reminded me about.

this is a golden Bird(S/s+) nice color... I hope my efforts brings me a Lemon(Di) colored bird like that that breeds true..

 

[flyingmonkeypoop]

I wouldn't want the crest in the offspring. In the legbars it is great but as some know, I am having issues with my ideal type. Hopefully on my coming days off, I'll do some photo-shop style work to make my ideal legbar, and a version of the cream legbar color on phoenix (with slate legs, it is a dream pic so why not go with it)

In my saltwater tank, I only got my cardinals to breed, nothing else even tried. I did have lots of my bubbletip and rose tip anemones split though. My corals all did amazing as well. I gave up my tanks when I turned 21 and started spending my money elsewhere and was away from home for a bit. As I was tearing it down, I realized I had close to $20,000 put into my tank and sold it all for dirt cheap. Now I am working on getting another saltwater since my freshwater planted nano tanks are boring me

 

[nicalandia]

I wouldn't want the crest in the offspring. In the legbars it is great but as some know, I am having issues with my ideal type. Hopefully on my coming days off, I'll do some photo-shop style work to make my ideal legbar, and a version of the cream legbar color on phoenix (with slate legs, it is a dream pic so why not go with it)

In my saltwater tank, I only got my cardinals to breed, nothing else even tried. I did have lots of my bubbletip and rose tip anemones split though. My corals all did amazing as well. I gave up my tanks when I turned 21 and started spending my money elsewhere and was away from home for a bit. As I was tearing it down, I realized I had close to $20,000 put into my tank and sold it all for dirt cheap. Now I am working on getting another saltwater since my freshwater planted nano tanks are boring me

post them in here(your dream pics) I would love to see them...

cardinals are about the easiest saltwater fish to breed right? when the young hatch they hatch as miniature cardinals and they are mouth brooders, they are not as picky with food, I love corals, I think I may set up a cold water pacific saltwater tank one of these days..

 

[Boggy Bottom Bantams]

I wouldn't want the crest in the offspring. In the legbars it is great but as some know, I am having issues with my ideal type. Hopefully on my coming days off, I'll do some photo-shop style work to make my ideal legbar, and a version of the cream legbar color on phoenix (with slate legs, it is a dream pic so why not go with it)

In my saltwater tank, I only got my cardinals to breed, nothing else even tried. I did have lots of my bubbletip and rose tip anemones split though. My corals all did amazing as well. I gave up my tanks when I turned 21 and started spending my money elsewhere and was away from home for a bit. As I was tearing it down, I realized I had close to $20,000 put into my tank and sold it all for dirt cheap. Now I am working on getting another saltwater since my freshwater planted nano tanks are boring me

been there too, hate to even know what I had in those 4, thousands though, 2 butterfly and angel tanks and 2 full on reefs. and yep had a bunch of splitting too on them and mushroom corals.

 

[Boggy Bottom Bantams]

one that came out of my ginger ohiki this year. His parents were splits. Glad to have him, got a good bit of work to do with him in them for next year. He needs to fill out a bit more, but I can always work on the type threw the hens I use him on. Thinking heavily about running some barred to him, just the sexes are backwards to make it easy

 

[Lorilyn Farms]

According to the chicken calculator, if you breed a buff roo to Mille Fleur hens, and then breed the male offspring back to their mothers, you should end up with a percentage of lemon/cream and lemon/cream mille fleur.

I wonder if it will work with my Buff Chantecler roo and Spangled Orloff pullet, even though they are mahogany mille fleur.

Why does this only work with a buff roo? If you put buff hen over mille roo, you end up with only buff. (In the calculator) Is there some sex-linked thing going on?
Also, I've started having lemon hens show up in my mille fleurs. Only hens, no roos. What is going on? My birds are standard mille fleur d'uccles, with some columbian d'uccle hens that didn't seem to get the spots.

 

[Boggy Bottom Bantams]

buff has Dilute in it. It doesnt matter the sex you use.
the first cross like you said will be buff or buffish birds. you can then back cross those and get normal gold/buff versions, red versions and diluted versions that look like creams.
They are not the same thing genetically, but have a very similar look to them.
You will have to breed a lot of birds from this cross to just get it that easy though, lots of stuff to cull threw to islolate the dilute gene.

It doesnt work with buff pattern birds like buff columbian because that is a different set or color and patterns and they do not carry the dilute gene. That's the only gene that is important for the color.
Problem is they ( true self buffs) have loads and loads of unknown genes hidden in them. SO with that being said it can be hard to quickly get the results you are looking for.

On you d'uccles
yes a mille is pretty much a buff columbian with mottled added in. If bred mille to mille they should all be mottled, but mottled is recessive, so if you had a bird in the pen that wasnt mottled, that would explain the buff columbian birds. That or they are just late bloomers, some times it takes a while for the spots to come in.

If some are split for cream, that's where your lemons milles are coming from. However there are pale yellow milles that come out of mille fleur breedings. I have several of them in my d'anvers like that. They are somewhat cream looking but are not in any genetic way lemon creams. Just a light mille.
This seems to only happen in the girls too for me, never had a light yellowish male.
Kinda got a feeling that's what you have going on, just pale mille girls. Unless you know the milles you have came from a breeder that had introduced the cream gene into their mille pens, then your's could just be.

If all that makes sence for you.