The EE braggers thread!!!

[Sueg4332]

This is the only problem I have with the current classification system. Certain traits may never breed true 100% of the time. Mostly because within breeds genetic mutations of many types an variety's do occur, some of those affecting color. There is no such thing as breeding true 100% of the time whether it is due to recessive phenotypic traits or a genetic anomally. If you breed an Ameraucana to an Ameraucana, the offspring can genetically only be considered Ameraucana. Where as it seems to me an EE can genetically be an Ameraucana and the term also applies to cross breeds. I have heard breeders of Ameraucanas state that out of every 100 chicks hatched they may have 3 that do not conform to the standard and are immediately classified as EE's. Does this thinking apply to any other breed of chicken? I don't think people have a problem with the standard of perfection in general, but a lot of the confusion associated with the breed comes from their classification system. I really don't want to offend anyone especially on this thread. I am a huge fan of EE's and Ameraucanas alike. I just wanted to create a thread where people who didn't feel comfortable posing questions on the other Ameraucana thread would have a place to discuss the breed and non-standard birds and EE's if they want to.

The easiest way is to explain Easter eggers and Ameruacana chickens to me is with paint and pinto horses.
Pinto horses were a colored spotted horses of unknown or any breed of horse with color. It could be from pony to draft horse...
Paint horse were throughbred and quarter horse only descents with qualifiying spotted color.
That what the associations rules were. In the beginning they were inspected to make sure they made the qualification. 1964 or so Don't quote me of the date I am getting old...
Now it is not so 2000 something Then have changed the rules in the qualifing in the breeds. ( the forefathers of these clubs designed a perpose for each clud. Solid colored quarter horses , maybe a blaze face and short white legs.
The Paint horse quarter type or throughbred lineage. Good place to dispose of your colored quarter horses. Good idea the association is huge.
I dont know much about the pinto horses but it is any breed with colored spots.
Now if the if your reg. quarter horse has both register parents comes out spotted it is still a registered quarter horse.
I dont agree with the new rule but that is now it is. I think the forfather of these clubs are probably turning over in their graves. All the years they put in to these two clubs to be undone basically because of money....
The ameruacana people have worked long a hard to get these chickens to be a chicken that will produce itself. And they cull the ones that don't.
Myself I have had EEs for many years and love the surprize I can hatch out. I breed my fluffy creek, breaded green and blue layers to the same.. I only cross I do Is marans to get olive eggs with the EE. Love my chickens...

 

[Sueg4332]

sorry pushed the wrong button (submit) instead of (preview)
Dog breeders have culled for years. A they will destroy puppies that don't meet standard. (wont admit it sometimes either)
In horses they use to kill cremello and perlino horses as misfits.
I think a lot people would rather cull. Then Add to the EE group of birds. Lots of breeders have their own group to produce olive eggers. Glorafided EEs.
I believe in what they are doing they have beautiful birds.
I remember the same argument in Paint and pinto horse people. Pintos were trash in Paint horse people mines.
Personally I am in the chickens for the funny of it. I sell barnyard chicken eggs. Ten of the best chicken in the yard are daddy. It is fun for people.
PS they still advertise Paint horse for sale sale and it is a spotted pony. lol The arguement will go on.....

 

[UrbanEnthusiast]

If I wanted EEs with the following three attributes, which hatchery should I choose?

1. Small size (as EEs go)
2. "Wild"/independent personality & good survival skills
3. Extremely prolific laying of green or blue eggs

 

[dcba flock]

Along the same lines with regards to breeding within the paint horse registry a horse born or 2 paint parents is considered separately within the registry as a solid ( without paint markings) aka the ugly/less desirable step child. Which is basically the way Ameraucana people treat purely breed non-standard meeting Ameraucanas. They have themselves created the confusion by considering those the same as the cross breeds all in the EE category! I understand the hard work that goes into trying to develop an excellent breeding program. However I don't think ppl need to get so mad when ppl ask for clarification. Honestly there is a great deal of confusion and ppl are just trying to understand! It's annoying when I read ppl responding " this is a section just for XYZ breed you should go to this other area" and not in a kind manor It s a little rude and high schoolish. (Not just with regards to this breed either) sorry rant over!

 

[Flowerbh]

If I wanted EEs with the following three attributes, which hatchery should I choose?

1. Small size (as EEs go)
2. "Wild"/independent personality & good survival skills
3. Extremely prolific laying of green or blue eggs

I got my two first EEs from a man who ordered them from a hatchery. One gives me a large seafoam green eggs almost every single day. I think she missed 2 days in the last month and a half. The other EEer gives me a small-medium pinkish brown egg and skips about once every 8 days. (the one that gives me the pinkish egg has a pea comb, muffs, beard, slate blue legs! and the one who gives me the green egg has no beard or muff..) so how can you tell which hatchery would give you a better choice? I did hear that Cackles gives a better variety of chick colors.

 

[SeattleLeah]

If I wanted EEs with the following three attributes, which hatchery should I choose?

1. Small size (as EEs go)
2. "Wild"/independent personality & good survival skills
3. Extremely prolific laying of green or blue eggs

It sounds like you may be very happy with a Leghorn/Ameraucana cross. They have the laying power and foraging abilities of a leghorn but lay big blue eggs. They are petite like a leghorn. A BYC member Dmrippy sells hatching eggs, here is the link: https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/662423/buy-it-now-super-blue-egg-layers-12

 

[SeattleLeah]

They will all be white with black leakage though. not sure if you wanted the color variety of typical EE's

 

[Outrun Acres]

Along the same lines with regards to breeding within the paint horse registry a horse born or 2 paint parents is considered separately within the registry as a solid ( without paint markings) aka the ugly/less desirable step child. Which is basically the way Ameraucana people treat purely breed non-standard meeting Ameraucanas. They have themselves created the confusion by considering those the same as the cross breeds all in the EE category! I understand the hard work that goes into trying to develop an excellent breeding program. However I don't think ppl need to get so mad when ppl ask for clarification. Honestly there is a great deal of confusion and ppl are just trying to understand! It's annoying when I read ppl responding " this is a section just for XYZ breed you should go to this other area" and not in a kind manor It s a little rude and high schoolish. (Not just with regards to this breed either) sorry rant over!

I used a very similar example to this one. I had a hard time with the classification system they use for Ameraucanas and the responses I received on the the "sticky" thead regarding my questions was quite rude. Seems you have experienced the exact same thing when asking for clarification. I love EE's but am very interested in starting to breed Ameraucanas and am actually going to be purchasing some hatching eggs next week. I created a new friendly thread for people to discuss any and every topic they could think of about Ameraucanas. I don't want to take people away from this thread because it is one of my favorites and I do love my EE's dearly. But I wanted a place to discuss breeding Ameraucanas as well. If you want to discuss purebred birds in a friendly environment please come take a look at the other thread. Some really nice people and breeders have joined and all questions have been kindly responded to. I'll post the link below.

https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/...discussed-apa-non-standard-and-project-birds/

 

[dcba flock]

OutRun thank you for the link I am just developing my interest in chickens and as a newer person I have been directed to "backyard chickens" not rude ppl with chickens! Don't get me wrong no one has been directly rude to me but some of what I read as legit questions get really snotty responses on a variety of breed threads not just the Ameraucana. I have some beautiful birds that I recieved from a breeder that is working on developing her lines and they weren't what she wanted to keep for breeders. I don't know if I would dare post pics as when others have they have been told to take there pictures and chickens elsewhere! Haha I do have to laugh tho! I have delt with that for years with horse shows. I understand ppl love their birds I def do, but seriously I don't think it's worth hurting other ppl's feeling over or making ppl feel stupid for asking questions or being proud of their beautiful birds! Just saying!

 

[dcba flock]