The Health Care Law.

[RHRanch]

Last I checked in to it, making over $250 a month cut you off of disability an anything under that was prorated... I have heard its not that way now but dont know.

I don't know what the actual amount is, but there is a cap on earnings... I think my friend says he cannot own more than $2000 in money and assets if he expects to get disability or something like that. So basically he can't make any money, because he could never earn what it costs for his care (completely dependent on physical care from a nurse or caretaker) even if he did work, (I use the term work loosely, he couls possibly do some part time pc work from home, stuff like that) so he has to have disability services and income. Ridiculous, if he could earn a reasonable amount, he might be able to at least support himself enough to pay bills and possibly housing, leaving disability only to cover care/medical. That would reduce the burdon on government, but of course we can't do anything that makes sense. lol

 

[Royd]

Did you know the first Libertarian slogan was "no such thing as a free lunch"

Even the bible says those who do not work, should not eat.

On that, we can agree.

 

[RHRanch]

That's why, during Katrina, a whole city sat on its hands and became victims of Mother Nature. Generations of entitlement mentality....Just what the War on Poverty was designed to do. Create whole sections of government dependents and thus a huge voting base.
One didn't have to search far in 08 for people who truly believed that by voting for Obama, they were going to get a free ride for the rest of their lives..Obama bucks, Obama phone, no mortgage, no utilities, free gas, and now, free healthcare.

Also completely innacurate. What happened is that people with money and assets (like cars, etc) were able to leave. The poor had neither the savings nor the credit nor the access to transportation and were trapped there.

 

[Stephanie739]

That's why, during Katrina, a whole city sat on its hands and became victims of Mother Nature. Generations of entitlement mentality....Just what the War on Poverty was designed to do. Create whole sections of government dependents and thus a huge voting base.
One didn't have to search far in 08 for people who truly believed that by voting for Obama, they were going to get a free ride for the rest of their lives..Obama bucks, Obama phone, no mortgage, no utilities, free gas, and now, free healthcare.

You bring up the reason why we need a new perspective. If America gave up on its poor and cut them off to fend for themselves, I believe we would have a national security problem which might only be controlled by fema camps. I would like to try to avert such a scenario if possible.

What do you think will happen if people can know longer find food for their children? Is that the America you would choose?

 

[Royd]

I am not advocating federally sponsored communism. This is a free will experiment which aims to teach important life sustaining and improvement skills such as food production and home maintenance while encouraging independent living. If people do not want to participate, then I wouldn't want them to.

Are you going to asking doctors and nurses to donate their time. The object of the healthcare law is forced healthcare regardless of the cost or inconvenience to the workers. Medicare and Medicaid already pay a pittance in return for the services provided. Many doctors refuse to take Medicaid patients because it is a business killer.

 

[Stephanie739]

I don't know what the actual amount is, but there is a cap on earnings... I think my friend says he cannot own more than $2000 in money and assets if he expects to get disability or something like that. So basically he can't make any money, because he could never earn what it costs for his care (completely dependent on physical care from a nurse or caretaker) even if he did work, (I use the term work loosely, he couls possibly do some part time pc work from home, stuff like that) so he has to have disability services and income. Ridiculous, if he could earn a reasonable amount, he might be able to at least support himself enough to pay bills and possibly housing, leaving disability only to cover care/medical. That would reduce the burdon on government, but of course we can't do anything that makes sense. lol

The disabled are perfect examples of people who might be great inhabitants in the community I am planning. Some of the so called "disabled" are the most caring, and eager to work people, yet they find themselves in the above dilemma.

 

[RHRanch]

Are you going to asking doctors and nurses to donate their time. The object of the healthcare law is forced healthcare regardless of the cost or inconvenience to the workers. Medicare and Medicaid already pay a pittance in return for the services provided. Many doctors refuse to take Medicaid patients because it is a business killer.

Well its really more like, everyone pays into the pot (now as a tax, presumably) as a security blanket. If you get sick, the care is there. If you are not, you pay in until its your turn to use it. Everyone will need health care at some point or another. At least, thats how its done in most of the other industrialized societies that already have health care. You have to have the young and healthy pay in when they don't need it, or it just won't work. Then when the young become old or sick, other young and healthy will continue to work and pay in and so on.

 

[Royd]

You bring up the reason why we need a new perspective. If America gave up on its poor and cut them off to fend for themselves, I believe we would have a national security problem which might only be controlled by fema camps. I would like to try to avert such a scenario if possible.

What do you think will happen if people can know longer find food for their children? Is that the America you would choose?

The same thing that would happen if you demanded that they give equal work for their welfare payment. They would burn the house down...Apparently, you think the entitlement attitude is a fairytale.

Many of the OWSers were offered jobs and refused to work because it just wasn't them...Most of them really believe that because they went through 4 or more years of college, they should be entitled to an $80,000 a year job,right out of the gate, as long as it's not too hard,

 

[Stephanie739]

Are you going to asking doctors and nurses to donate their time. The object of the healthcare law is forced healthcare regardless of the cost or inconvenience to the workers. Medicare and Medicaid already pay a pittance in return for the services provided. Many doctors refuse to take Medicaid patients because it is a business killer.

No of course not. The inhabitants are members of everyday society Royd. The factories around my area all provide great benefits. Many of the poor are already on Medicaid or Famis (child only health care) Those who are employed and can afford health care can take care of it themselves and those who choose to remain uninsured by choice will have to deal with whatever happens with health care reform.

 

[RHRanch]

The disabled are perfect examples of people who might be great inhabitants in the community I am planning. Some of the so called "disabled" are the most caring, and eager to work people, yet they find themselves in the above dilemma.

I agree, because my friend for example, has pc skills such a community would need, and that could be his work, while the more physically able do things like build, grow food, etc. Someone who is older and less physically able to garden, might make a good companion also for my disabled friend who needs someone with him at all times as he cannot even lift his hand more than an inch or two and if he falls over he could asphixiate.