The Health Care Law.

[chickened]

So children should suffer due to your disdain for their having "crappy parents"? That makes a lot of sense, you have convinced me - those kid should have picked better parents! Playing the blame game doesn't solve social problems for those who cannot provide for themselves: Children, elderly, infermed and the disabled.

I am a firm beleiver that unfit parents should have thier children removed at a certain point. Half the U.S. budget is spent on social programs. Social Security was originally sold to Americans as a right. In Portland we spend 15,000.00 per student a year for schooling. We take very good care of the weak in this country but you cannot entrust that care to worthless parents and that is exactly what we do. I met a man today that manages 8 low income housing projects. He told me some things about the tenants that would boil your blood. He chose that career because he said the low income housing is booming.

 

[RHRanch]

Did you see my post about Denmark and unemployment ?

Yes. I found it interesting. Without really examining the data with concern as to the type of welfare, makeup of the families and other resources that may or may not be available in that country, I can't count it as anything but anecdotal at this point. So I will have to dig before I can comment further.

 

[RHRanch]

I am a firm beleiver that unfit parents should have thier children removed at a certain point. Half the U.S. budget is spent on social programs. Social Security was originally sold to Americans as a right. In Portland we spend 15,000.00 per student a year for schooling. We take very good care of the weak in this country but you cannot entrust that care to worthless parents and that is exactly what we do. I met a man today that manages 8 low income housing projects. He told me some things about the tenants that would boil your blood. He chose that career because he said the low income housing is booming.

And what should we do with these removed children? You do know that we used to do that and it didn't really work. You also should realize that we stopped doing it because among other things it causes irreperable harm to those chilren, right? More punishment heaped upon children for the unfortunate circumstance of their birth. Again, if they had just picked better parents they wouldn't have to suffer the trauma of being taken from their blood relatives and raised by strangers paid by the state. Great idea.

 

[redhen]

I am a firm beleiver that unfit parents should have thier children removed at a certain point.  Half the U.S. budget is spent on social programs. Social Security was originally sold to Americans as a right.  In Portland  we spend 15,000.00 per student a year for schooling.  We take very good care of the weak in this country but you cannot entrust that care to worthless parents and that is exactly what we do.  I met a man today that manages 8 low income housing projects. He told me some things about the tenants that would boil your blood.  He chose that career because he said the low income housing is booming.

Yep,..if you cant feed your kids then they need to be placed in a stable home. Sure, everyone has bad times sometimes... but to stay on it for years.. to keep mooching. Something needs to change here..

 

[chickened]

And what should we do with these removed children? You do know that we used to do that and it didn't really work. You also should realize that we stopped doing it because among other things it causes irreperable harm to those chilren, right? More punishment heaped upon children for the unfortunate circumstance of their birth. Again, if they had just picked better parents they wouldn't have to suffer the trauma of being taken from their blood relatives and raised by strangers paid by the state. Great idea.

You sure it doesn't work? Any trauma beyond starvation really is mute.



Friday, December 18, 2009

List of Famous Orphans


List of Famous Orphans

Classical and religious scriptural
Aristotle, Greek philosopher and scientist, orphaned in early childhood.
Cyrus the Great, Persian emperor, orphaned in childhood.
Moses, major prophet in Christianity, Islam, and Judaism, orphaned as an infant.
Muhammad, central figure in Islam, orphaned at age 6.
Romulus and Remus, traditional founders of ancient Rome, orphaned in infancy.

Political
Andrew JacksonAlexander Hamilton, U.S. founding father, orphaned at age 13.
Ben W. Hooper, governor of Tennessee, 1911 to 1915, raised in an orphanage.
Herbert Hoover, U.S. president, orphaned at age 9.
Andrew Jackson, U.S. president, orphaned at age 14.
Edward Langworthy, U.S. patriot and founding father, raised in an orphanage.
Nelson Mandela, president of South Africa, raised as a ward.
Eleanor Roosevelt, U.S. First Lady, civil-rights activist, orphaned at age 10.
Bertrand Russell, political philosopher, orphaned at age 3.
Jean-Jacques Rousseau, political philosopher, raised by aunt and uncle.
Tecumseh, Native American leader, orphaned as a child.
Tom Vilsack, U.S. Secretary of Agriculture, former Iowa governor, adopted at birth.
Malcolm X, political and civil rights activist, raised in an orphanage and foster care.

Authors and poets
Leo TolstoyEdward Albee, playwright, adopted as an infant.
John Keats, poet, raised partly by his grandmother.
W. Somerset Maugham, author, orphaned in childhood.
James Michener, author, adopted as an infant.
Edgar Allan Poe, author, orphaned in childhood.
J. R. R. Tolkien, author, orphaned at age 12.
Leo Tolstoy, author, orphaned at age 9.
Henry Morton Stanley, journalist, explorer, raised in a workhouse.
Dale Wasserman, playwright, orphaned at age 9.
William Wordsworth, poet, orphaned at age 12.


Arts, entertainment, sports
Ella FitzgeraldLouis Armstrong, musician, raised in an orphanage and by his grandmother.
Johann Sebastian Bach, composer, orphaned at age 9.
Tallulah Bankhead, actress, orphaned as an infant.
Ingrid Bergman, actress, orphaned at age 12.
Carol Burnett, entertainer, raised by her grandmother.
Ray Charles, singer, orphaned at age 15.
Henry Darger, artist whose work focused on orphans.
Ice-T, rapper, actor, orphaned aged 9.
Juliette Drouet, actress, orphaned in childhood.
Ella Fitzgerald, singer, orphaned in childhood.
Samuel Goldwyn, film mogul, raised by relatives.
James Hetfield, singer, ophaned by cancer at 16.
Faith Hill, singer, adopted as an infant.
Billie Holiday, singer, intermittently abandoned in childhood.
John Lennon, musician, raised by his aunt and uncle.
George Lopez, comedian,raised by a grandmother.
Frances McDormand, best actress Academy Award winner, adopted as an infant.
Marilyn Monroe, entertainer, raised in foster care.
Babe Ruth, baseball star, raised in an orphanage.
Bessie Smith, singer, orphaned at age 9.
Barbara Stanwyck, actress, raised in foster homes from age 2.
Trent Reznor, orphaned when parents abandoned him at age 5 and raised by grandparents.
Jeordie White, of Marilyn Manson band, orphaned by father as an infant.
Art Clokey, creator of Gumby. Father died and mother abandoned him at age 11.

Science and business
George Washington CarverGeorge Washington Carver, scientist, inventor, orphaned while a slave.
Steven Paul Jobs, Apple Computer founder and executive, orphaned as infant.
Johannes Kepler, scientist, raised by grandmother.
Percy Spencer, inventor, orphaned in childhood.
Dave Thomas, founder of Wendy's restaurants, adopted as an infant.

 

[RHRanch]

Yep,..if you cant feed your kids then they need to be placed in a stable home. Sure, everyone has bad times sometimes... but to stay on it for years.. to keep mooching. Something needs to change here..

What about all of the negative effects on these kids? A lot of research has been done on bonding and familu ties and it has been found that removing children from thier parents is pretty harmful and produces psychological problems, etc. That is a big part of the reason we stopped doing it. Also, being poor does not make people bad parents or bad people.

 

[RHRanch]

You sure it doesn't work? Any trauma beyond starvation really is mute.



Friday, December 18, 2009

List of Famous Orphans

List of Famous Orphans

Classical and religious scriptural
Aristotle, Greek philosopher and scientist, orphaned in early childhood.
Cyrus the Great, Persian emperor, orphaned in childhood.
Moses, major prophet in Christianity, Islam, and Judaism, orphaned as an infant.
Muhammad, central figure in Islam, orphaned at age 6.
Romulus and Remus, traditional founders of ancient Rome, orphaned in infancy.

Political
Andrew JacksonAlexander Hamilton, U.S. founding father, orphaned at age 13.
Ben W. Hooper, governor of Tennessee, 1911 to 1915, raised in an orphanage.
Herbert Hoover, U.S. president, orphaned at age 9.
Andrew Jackson, U.S. president, orphaned at age 14.
Edward Langworthy, U.S. patriot and founding father, raised in an orphanage.
Nelson Mandela, president of South Africa, raised as a ward.
Eleanor Roosevelt, U.S. First Lady, civil-rights activist, orphaned at age 10.
Bertrand Russell, political philosopher, orphaned at age 3.
Jean-Jacques Rousseau, political philosopher, raised by aunt and uncle.
Tecumseh, Native American leader, orphaned as a child.
Tom Vilsack, U.S. Secretary of Agriculture, former Iowa governor, adopted at birth.
Malcolm X, political and civil rights activist, raised in an orphanage and foster care.

Authors and poets
Leo TolstoyEdward Albee, playwright, adopted as an infant.
John Keats, poet, raised partly by his grandmother.
W. Somerset Maugham, author, orphaned in childhood.
James Michener, author, adopted as an infant.
Edgar Allan Poe, author, orphaned in childhood.
J. R. R. Tolkien, author, orphaned at age 12.
Leo Tolstoy, author, orphaned at age 9.
Henry Morton Stanley, journalist, explorer, raised in a workhouse.
Dale Wasserman, playwright, orphaned at age 9.
William Wordsworth, poet, orphaned at age 12.


Arts, entertainment, sports
Ella FitzgeraldLouis Armstrong, musician, raised in an orphanage and by his grandmother.
Johann Sebastian Bach, composer, orphaned at age 9.
Tallulah Bankhead, actress, orphaned as an infant.
Ingrid Bergman, actress, orphaned at age 12.
Carol Burnett, entertainer, raised by her grandmother.
Ray Charles, singer, orphaned at age 15.
Henry Darger, artist whose work focused on orphans.
Ice-T, rapper, actor, orphaned aged 9.
Juliette Drouet, actress, orphaned in childhood.
Ella Fitzgerald, singer, orphaned in childhood.
Samuel Goldwyn, film mogul, raised by relatives.
James Hetfield, singer, ophaned by cancer at 16.
Faith Hill, singer, adopted as an infant.
Billie Holiday, singer, intermittently abandoned in childhood.
John Lennon, musician, raised by his aunt and uncle.
George Lopez, comedian,raised by a grandmother.
Frances McDormand, best actress Academy Award winner, adopted as an infant.
Marilyn Monroe, entertainer, raised in foster care.
Babe Ruth, baseball star, raised in an orphanage.
Bessie Smith, singer, orphaned at age 9.
Barbara Stanwyck, actress, raised in foster homes from age 2.
Trent Reznor, orphaned when parents abandoned him at age 5 and raised by grandparents.
Jeordie White, of Marilyn Manson band, orphaned by father as an infant.
Art Clokey, creator of Gumby. Father died and mother abandoned him at age 11.

Science and business
George Washington CarverGeorge Washington Carver, scientist, inventor, orphaned while a slave.
Steven Paul Jobs, Apple Computer founder and executive, orphaned as infant.
Johannes Kepler, scientist, raised by grandmother.
Percy Spencer, inventor, orphaned in childhood.
Dave Thomas, founder of Wendy's restaurants, adopted as an infant.
Yeah, I'm sure a huge body of work has been compiled on the subject, heres a good summary which I am sure you will ignore: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...2rSLCQ&usg=AFQjCNGbOOtblayyR8OOCk5Bwp3nJK4OPw (Oh yeah, also most of your examples are either "orphaned" or infant adoptees - that is not the same as removed by social services and placed in orphanages or foster care.)

hers a link about how great most foster kids turn out: http://tucollaborative.org/pdfs/Too...ks/parenting/Factsheet_4_Resulting_Trauma.pdf

And another one for you not to even read or consider: http://www.liftingtheveil.org/foster14.htm

 

[chickened]

Yeah, I'm sure a huge body of work has been compiled on the subject, heres a good summary which I am sure you will ignore: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...2rSLCQ&usg=AFQjCNGbOOtblayyR8OOCk5Bwp3nJK4OPw (Oh yeah, also most of your examples are either "orphaned" or infant adoptees - that is not the same as removed by social services and placed in orphanages or foster care.)

That link has a virus or something my computer would not open it.

The good out weighs the bad in my opinion when the decision to remove kids from an unsafe environment to one that is safe. There was a case recently where a caseworker was supervising a visit with the bio father of some kids and he took them in his house and shot them and himself.http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/11461356-powell-boys-this-was-an-act-of-evil He actually blew the place up.

You can treat negative effects you cannot treat dead kids.

 

[RHRanch]

That link has a virus or something my computer would not open it.

The good out weighs the bad in my opinion when the decision to remove kids from an unsafe environment to one that is safe. There was a case recently where a caseworker was supervising a visit with the bio father of some kids and he took them in his house and shot them and himself.http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/11461356-powell-boys-this-was-an-act-of-evil He actually blew the place up.

Pretty Irrelevant. It was a custody dispute and he was a crazy person. Has nothing to do with the topic of removing children from poor parents and how harmful that is. But if we were talking about poor handling of vidsitation by judges and social services, you would be right on the money. Try one of the other links.

 

[Matthew3590]

Here's your statement: "As I have said before, it's time to bring the troops home from that War on Poverty. It's going on a 50 year war, and we are throwing money into a black hole." So yeah. it is going to be those who live in poverty who will pay and most who live in poverty are women and children. End of story.

Have you ever seen a female hobo?