The Health Care Law.

[thaiturkey]

Yep,..if you cant feed your kids then they need to be placed in a stable home. Sure, everyone has bad times sometimes... but to stay on it for years.. to keep mooching. Something needs to change here..

Take away kids from poor homes?

 

[thaiturkey]

Have you ever seen a female hobo?

I have seen quite a few.

 

[hemet dennis]

Have you ever seen a female hobo?

No But I have seen female homeless

On the war on poverty thing that we have had now for almost 50 years does anyone think we are winning ?

In the late 1950s, the poverty rate for all Americans was 22.4 percent, or 39.5 million individuals. These numbers declined steadily throughout the 1960s, reaching a low of 11.1 percent, or 22.9 million individuals, in 1973. Over the next decade, the poverty rate fluctuated between 11.1 and 12.6 percent, but it began to rise steadily again in 1980. By 1983, the number of poor individuals had risen to 35.3 million individuals, or 15.2 percent.
For the next ten years, the poverty rate remained above 12.8 percent, increasing to 15.1 percent, or 39.3 million individuals, by 1993. The rate declined for the remainder of the decade, to 11.3 percent by 2000. From 2000 to 2004 it rose each year to 12.7 in 2004.
Since the late 1960s, the poverty rate for people over 65 has fallen dramatically. The poverty rate for children has historically been somewhat higher than the overall poverty rate. The poverty rate for people in households headed by single women is significantly higher than the overall poverty rate.
http://www.npc.umich.edu/poverty/#3
Now after 50 years I would say we aren't winning. I don't say we should stop fighting but maybe we should change how we fight the war. What do you think ?

20 years ago there were 3,334,000 people on federal disability today there's 8,733,461 is it that much more dangerous out there ? 20 years ago it was 1 in 35 workers collecting now it's 1 in 15 workers collecting. The average payment is $1,111 a month that's $9.7 billion a month and $116.4 billion a year. And that's just one program.
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/8733461-workers-federal-disability-exceed-population-new-york-city
In 1984 85% of workers payed income taxes now only 51% pay.

 

[Royd]

Here's your statement: "As I have said before, it's time to bring the troops home from that War on Poverty. It's going on a 50 year war, and we are throwing money into a black hole." So yeah. it is going to be those who live in poverty who will pay and most who live in poverty are women and children. End of story.

Why do you promote the encouragment of poverty by using human nature to develop a permanent underclass? Apparently, you have not heard or do not believe the old adage about giving a man a fish or teaching him to fish.

 

[Royd]

You sure it doesn't work? Any trauma beyond starvation really is mute.



Friday, December 18, 2009

List of Famous Orphans

List of Famous Orphans

Classical and religious scriptural
Aristotle, Greek philosopher and scientist, orphaned in early childhood.
Cyrus the Great, Persian emperor, orphaned in childhood.
Moses, major prophet in Christianity, Islam, and Judaism, orphaned as an infant.
Muhammad, central figure in Islam, orphaned at age 6.
Romulus and Remus, traditional founders of ancient Rome, orphaned in infancy.

Political
Andrew JacksonAlexander Hamilton, U.S. founding father, orphaned at age 13.
Ben W. Hooper, governor of Tennessee, 1911 to 1915, raised in an orphanage.
Herbert Hoover, U.S. president, orphaned at age 9.
Andrew Jackson, U.S. president, orphaned at age 14.
Edward Langworthy, U.S. patriot and founding father, raised in an orphanage.
Nelson Mandela, president of South Africa, raised as a ward.
Eleanor Roosevelt, U.S. First Lady, civil-rights activist, orphaned at age 10.
Bertrand Russell, political philosopher, orphaned at age 3.
Jean-Jacques Rousseau, political philosopher, raised by aunt and uncle.
Tecumseh, Native American leader, orphaned as a child.
Tom Vilsack, U.S. Secretary of Agriculture, former Iowa governor, adopted at birth.
Malcolm X, political and civil rights activist, raised in an orphanage and foster care.

Authors and poets
Leo TolstoyEdward Albee, playwright, adopted as an infant.
John Keats, poet, raised partly by his grandmother.
W. Somerset Maugham, author, orphaned in childhood.
James Michener, author, adopted as an infant.
Edgar Allan Poe, author, orphaned in childhood.
J. R. R. Tolkien, author, orphaned at age 12.
Leo Tolstoy, author, orphaned at age 9.
Henry Morton Stanley, journalist, explorer, raised in a workhouse.
Dale Wasserman, playwright, orphaned at age 9.
William Wordsworth, poet, orphaned at age 12.


Arts, entertainment, sports
Ella FitzgeraldLouis Armstrong, musician, raised in an orphanage and by his grandmother.
Johann Sebastian Bach, composer, orphaned at age 9.
Tallulah Bankhead, actress, orphaned as an infant.
Ingrid Bergman, actress, orphaned at age 12.
Carol Burnett, entertainer, raised by her grandmother.
Ray Charles, singer, orphaned at age 15.
Henry Darger, artist whose work focused on orphans.
Ice-T, rapper, actor, orphaned aged 9.
Juliette Drouet, actress, orphaned in childhood.
Ella Fitzgerald, singer, orphaned in childhood.
Samuel Goldwyn, film mogul, raised by relatives.
James Hetfield, singer, ophaned by cancer at 16.
Faith Hill, singer, adopted as an infant.
Billie Holiday, singer, intermittently abandoned in childhood.
John Lennon, musician, raised by his aunt and uncle.
George Lopez, comedian,raised by a grandmother.
Frances McDormand, best actress Academy Award winner, adopted as an infant.
Marilyn Monroe, entertainer, raised in foster care.
Babe Ruth, baseball star, raised in an orphanage.
Bessie Smith, singer, orphaned at age 9.
Barbara Stanwyck, actress, raised in foster homes from age 2.
Trent Reznor, orphaned when parents abandoned him at age 5 and raised by grandparents.
Jeordie White, of Marilyn Manson band, orphaned by father as an infant.
Art Clokey, creator of Gumby. Father died and mother abandoned him at age 11.

Science and business
George Washington CarverGeorge Washington Carver, scientist, inventor, orphaned while a slave.
Steven Paul Jobs, Apple Computer founder and executive, orphaned as infant.
Johannes Kepler, scientist, raised by grandmother.
Percy Spencer, inventor, orphaned in childhood.
Dave Thomas, founder of Wendy's restaurants, adopted as an infant.
Just think to what heights they would have risen if only they'd have had the current welfare system to encourage them onward and upward.

 

[Royd]

What about all of the negative effects on these kids? A lot of research has been done on bonding and familu ties and it has been found that removing children from thier parents is pretty harmful and produces psychological problems, etc. That is a big part of the reason we stopped doing it. Also, being poor does not make people bad parents or bad people.

Are you talking about a family with mother and father or just some group you can cobble together and attach the word family to it?

 

[Royd]

Yeah, I'm sure a huge body of work has been compiled on the subject, heres a good summary which I am sure you will ignore: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...2rSLCQ&usg=AFQjCNGbOOtblayyR8OOCk5Bwp3nJK4OPw (Oh yeah, also most of your examples are either "orphaned" or infant adoptees - that is not the same as removed by social services and placed in orphanages or foster care.)

hers a link about how great most foster kids turn out: http://tucollaborative.org/pdfs/Too...ks/parenting/Factsheet_4_Resulting_Trauma.pdf

And another one for you not to even read or consider: http://www.liftingtheveil.org/foster14.htm

So, by your reasoning government programs are, as a whole, failures. Every Dogooder program which was started and managed by the govt. has ended up in the toilet: from SS to the poverty enablement of the Great Society,I.E. Medicare, Medicaid, Welfare, to the dumbing down of our children by teachers under the auspices of the NEA.

Why do we suddenly put hope in a program that is designed to hijack 1/6 of the US economy? I really worry about people who cannot learn from the most recent past, let alone a few hundred years of history.

 

[Royd]

No But I have seen female homeless

On the war on poverty thing that we have had now for almost 50 years does anyone think we are winning ?

In the late 1950s, the poverty rate for all Americans was 22.4 percent, or 39.5 million individuals. These numbers declined steadily throughout the 1960s, reaching a low of 11.1 percent, or 22.9 million individuals, in 1973. Over the next decade, the poverty rate fluctuated between 11.1 and 12.6 percent, but it began to rise steadily again in 1980. By 1983, the number of poor individuals had risen to 35.3 million individuals, or 15.2 percent.
For the next ten years, the poverty rate remained above 12.8 percent, increasing to 15.1 percent, or 39.3 million individuals, by 1993. The rate declined for the remainder of the decade, to 11.3 percent by 2000. From 2000 to 2004 it rose each year to 12.7 in 2004.
Since the late 1960s, the poverty rate for people over 65 has fallen dramatically. The poverty rate for children has historically been somewhat higher than the overall poverty rate. The poverty rate for people in households headed by single women is significantly higher than the overall poverty rate.
http://www.npc.umich.edu/poverty/#3
Now after 50 years I would say we aren't winning. I don't say we should stop fighting but maybe we should change how we fight the war. What do you think ?

20 years ago there were 3,334,000 people on federal disability today there's 8,733,461 is it that much more dangerous out there ? 20 years ago it was 1 in 35 workers collecting now it's 1 in 15 workers collecting. The average payment is $1,111 a month that's $9.7 billion a month and $116.4 billion a year. And that's just one program.
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/8733461-workers-federal-disability-exceed-population-new-york-city
In 1984 85% of workers payed income taxes now only 51% pay.

Excellent point on the disability stats...In spite of all the health and safety regs by OSHA, FDA and who knows what other acronym, the nanny state just can't keeps us safe.

 

[chickened]

Pretty Irrelevant. It was a custody dispute and he was a crazy person. Has nothing to do with the topic of removing children from poor parents and how harmful that is. But if we were talking about poor handling of vidsitation by judges and social services, you would be right on the money. Try one of the other links.

Unsafe environments come in all shapes and sizes. Therefore it is relevant. Studies are tainted and have a pre-determined outcome. Reality is all these stories of abuse and neglect and to speculate there are the ones that go unreported.

 

[Stephanie739]

Noone's taking food away from children living in poverty...It's the people who can't quite make it down to the poverty level who have to worry.

Barack Obama "Food Stamp King" increased financial limits so more people would be able to find some assistance, and he has been wrongly criticized for it. And you can blame your Republican friends for the increase in food prices due to Bush's ethanol mandates....increased food cost directly passed to the consumer.

Not only has the food assistance program helped families, local businesses find assistance. For example, the small country store behind my home was reopened under new management about 2 years ago. The store accepts food benefits which helps the families, this new business, as well as local producers who contribute to the grocery stock (produce, locally produced meats, home made baked items, etc.)