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Black spurs were common in my old Reds from Mr. Reese and I see it in my Red Bantams as they have large fowl blood in them from 30 years ago. I only breed from males that have black spurs in my bantams. In my bantams I have some females with ticking or no ticking at all and thier whole body is one even color. If you have stripes which I think is more common in large fowl it can cause fits for color to go to other sections.

Mr. Ralph Brazelton a Orpington breeder once told me you have some good ideas on your R I Red plan and you have done your home work but let me give you some advice.

Go Slow, Go Small and go down the middle of the road.

I think when he is talking about going down the middle of the road you are constantly moving in and out with color some years you may get a pullet with hardly any black in wings or no ticking.

Many will get rid of such a female but Mr. Reese called these $500. females. When you have a male that has it all and he is loaded with to much black or even has black in his hackle feathers he can be mated to such a female. Mrs. Donaldson use to say these females will help absorb the excess black in the male. You may want to mate the best typed male from her with less color faults than his sire and then inbreed back to her for one to two years. Or you may take the best typed pullet with some black in the wings and ticking in the hackle and mate back to her sire. Then mate the best typed pullet back to the sire the next year. Then you get the great traits of type which is so important than color and you have maybe a bird that is got it all. This is called compensating type matings.

Mr. Reese use to have young folks with lots of money come in each year and clean out all his young birds and leave him with nothing but color cull birds or birds with type defects. The next year they would be back with the money and he had twenty or so super birds to sell. One lady who I got my birds from said I dont know how he does it we cleaned him out and he just puts them together the next year and BAM super birds.

Thing about this would you. If a male has a seven or eight point comb but a killer body. Then you have a male that has a perfect head five point comb but a short body get a female that has good length of body , good head and mait her to the poor headed male. Then take him out after four weeks wait one week put the short bodied male with the perfect head in with her. Toe punch the chicks and the next year mait the best combed pullet with a long body back to the poor co mb male and take the best pullet from the poor comb male and mate to the short bodied male.

From this cross which I call the neutral female mating you can get a perfect bird. It may take three to five years. But it can be done.

Well that is my tip of the day. Remember me some day when you are sitting on the feed bucket and you see such a bird or two. These are the fun matings to put together. This is what separates a breeder from a chicken collector. I often wonder how many of you that come to this thread have R I Reds these days. We must be getting a good number. Keep plugging away and maybe next year this time we will have double the numbers of Red fanciers. Pray for the production reds. I wonder how to breed them for color.
 
ImmJay I notice that the #3 bird has good width of back carried further toward the tail. Not as much wedge shape. I like that. Also, it looks like he has those black spur genes that Bob has talked about in the past. Ask him about that?!? Time will tell as they grow out. #3's tail looks like it may change as he gets a few months older. Hard to tell, from a picture, if he is in good condition or a bit over fed. Also hard to tell from the picture if he is deeper keeled and normal legged or regular keel and short shanked a bit. Great color and shine. Good ammount of saddle feathers with no stringyness that I have seen in many pictures. #2 looks good from the side view and has a nice tail but is narrow through the ribs, more wedge to him. Nice tail angle on the side view. Looks taller in the leg now but I would bet he will fill out by Spring. I like both of them and would like to see how they change as they grow out in the spring breeding season. I think the mating combo's will be key for your breeding setups. Breed the wedge out and the brick in. Are they crowing yet?
Wow Doc, Got to do a little reading up on the black spur thing. I do remember reading about that when Bob posted it. Both you and Chris hit the nail on the head and caught the little bit narrow in the back on the overhead shot of #2 bird. lol Again, thanks to all that commented on these guys and hopefully if they stay as nice or get nicer, I can get some nice young for next year.
Yes Doc, #3 just started crowning last week. Haven't seen or heard the others yet. He acts like me when I have to cough with a sore throat. lol. Just so your all know, I'm not putting any of them in the soup pot yet. They will all be her until next spring/summer. Since these were my first ones, I want to make sure I don't make a terrible mistake.
Thanks again to you all.
Jim
 
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The Black Spurs can be caused by a number of things, I seen it a lot when I crossed White and Yellow Legged gamefowl.

Chris
 
I think its manly from the dark feathers as its a horn color but on some its almost black. The darker the quill color the darker and more darker almost black or blood red you will see in the quill, the leg spur and what I look for in chicks is the beak. I got five large fowl females that their beaks are almost 100% horn. When they are three to five years old they will still be even in color and dark. Dont know much about other breeds as there is only one breed worth having and that's REDS.
 
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Can anyone tell me if it is still possible to aquire stock from the old SC RIR mohawk line? I have been told that there are only 3 breeders with true stock and it would be difficult to aquire chicks or eggs from them. I see ads that claim to be connected, however I think people will say anything to make a buck. I have been teaching my son to breed and hatch using hatchery stock but it is time to instill the values of quality and preservation. Any help would be greatly appreciated!
 
I've tried to find somewhere else to ask this but can't find anywhere on this web site that is suitable, so I'm asking it here.
If someone knows a more appropriate area to ask this please notify me of where.


How do you set up your pens? Do you separate cockerels from pullets? Do you keep a few at a time in small pens or more in a large pen? Do you keep your breeding cocks in with your hens year round? Where do you house the chickens you are about to show?

I only raise one breed, Heritage LF SC RIR's

At present, I have one 20ft x 30ft pen separated into three 10ft wide by 20ft long pens. I have been keeping cockerels in one, hens in the others. Each pen has its own shelter. I also have several 2ft x 4ft. cages in the garage that I use to separate sick chickens from the rest of the flock when necessary do to sickness, or to isolate.

I would really appreciate advice from some of you that regularly show your birds.
 
I've tried to find somewhere else to ask this but can't find anywhere on this web site that is suitable, so I'm asking it here.
If someone knows a more appropriate area to ask this please notify me of where.


How do you set up your pens? Do you separate cockerels from pullets? Do you keep a few at a time in small pens or more in a large pen? Do you keep your breeding cocks in with your hens year round? Where do you house the chickens you are about to show?

I only raise one breed, Heritage LF SC RIR's

At present, I have one 20ft x 30ft pen separated into three 10ft wide by 20ft long pens. I have been keeping cockerels in one, hens in the others. Each pen has its own shelter. I also have several 2ft x 4ft. cages in the garage that I use to separate sick chickens from the rest of the flock when necessary do to sickness, or to isolate.

I would really appreciate advice from some of you that regularly show your birds.
I know for sure that I'm not really the one to answer this for you but I've seen the post before and no one seems to want to answer so I'll tell you what I've read and what I do and you can take it from there unless someone else that knows for sure comes on and gives you a better answer.
I do know that I've read on here that most breeders do not keep their breeding birds together (cock bird and hens) once they are done with getting their hatching eggs.
This is my first time with the real RIR's and I plan on building a long rabbit type pen up off the ground and separating it into 2 x 3 individual pens and keeping my cock birds separate other then breeding time. Also I have a large 12 x 28 building with 3/4 acre field fenced in tor my layers that I sell eggs from and any of my RIR that are not good enough for breeding hens will be put in there just for egg production.
Right now I have an 8 x 8 for my Don Nelson line that will be breeding birds, and 8 x 10 that will be for my Mohawk breeders each has 15 x 30 foot run connected. Then I have a 4 x 8 pen with 10 x 10 run for my Underwood birds and a 10 x 12 pen with big run for the Horstman RC.
This is what I have right now and my male and female are together but they are juveniles and when I start planning on breeding then the extra cock birds with be placed or butchered.
I can't tell you anything other then this but now maybe someone else will chime in.
Jim
 
Can anyone tell me if it is still possible to aquire stock from the old SC RIR mohawk line? I have been told that there are only 3 breeders with true stock and it would be difficult to aquire chicks or eggs from them. I see ads that claim to be connected, however I think people will say anything to make a buck. I have been teaching my son to breed and hatch using hatchery stock but it is time to instill the values of quality and preservation. Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Contact matt1616 on this site. I'm sure he can put you on the list for next season if its not too late these birds are few and far between. maybe Bob Blosl can help you out but the first thing hes gonna ask is WHERE are you located, LOL He knows what direction to point you in all four corners of the earth.

Henpeckedmuch there's lots of info in just this thread on all sorts of breeding set ups ect.. Have you posted over in the managing poultry/flock section here on the byc good infiormative folks there too.

Oh how do
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Jeff
 
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Contact matt1616 on this site. I'm sure he can put you on the list for next season if its not too late these birds are few and far between. maybe Bob Blosl can help you out but the first thing hes gonna ask is WHERE are you located, LOL He knows what direction to point you in all four corners of the earth.

Henpeckedmuch there's lots of info in just this thread on all sorts of breeding set ups ect.. Have you posted over in the managing poultry/flock section here on the byc good infiormative folks there too.

Oh how do
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there Wolf50511 and
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and to the real RIR thread
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Jeff
Hey there Jeff, how ya doin? Haven't seen that handsome guy in that avatar for a couple of days. lol Sure looks like someone I wouldn't want to see in the dark. Hope you are behaving yourself. ha,ha.
 

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