The IMPORTED ENGLISH Orpington Thread

[Christabelle]

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According to the standards for APA accepted Mottled breeds like Cochins, a Mottled should have White heart shapes at the tips of their wings.
I hatched out 2 of what your calling a Mottled two years ago.  They may have the Mottled gene, but far as I am concerned I called them back then "EXCHEQUERS".  By definition they are not MOTTLEDS.  If the APA ever accepts any new varieties of Orp and they accept Mottleds you can count on these judges to go by the standard for Mottleds in other breeds.  Very unlikely you will EVER see another breed calling this look a Mottled.

If the bird carries the mottled gene I would say it is mottled, regardless if YOU consider the unrecognized color as show quality or not. A jubilee is a Millie Fleur orpington and an Exchequer is a mottled leghorn.

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[lildinkem]

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If the bird carries the mottled gene I would say it is mottled, regardless if YOU consider the unrecognized color as show quality or not. A jubilee is a Millie Fleur orpington and an Exchequer is a mottled leghorn.

For those out there who understand the APA will decide what is and what isn't a true MOTTLED. There are other breeds accepted in the APA Standard which are MOTTLEDS. The fact is I MADE this variety of Orps 3 years ago. Before anyone else had them. I am voicing my opinion of what I learned about this variety since I had them well before anyone else here.. I said "as far as I am concerned I called them back then "EXCHEQUERS", that is what I called what I made 3 years ago. Go back on the Orp thread 2 years ago when they were over a year old and you can see them. They are EXACTLY the same. NOT MOTTLEDS according to Tom Roebuck who had Mottled Cochins. The two I made I sold off this spring to a Chef here in Indy for $12 each and called them EXCHEQUERS.
The thought of them having the gene does not mean they are Mottleds. These are Buff Sports which carry WHITE ORP GENE, when I breed them to WHITE ORPS they hatch out WHITE ORPS. This does not mean they are WHITE ORPS.



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[lildinkem]

Davy is helping some here learn what is and what isn't a true MOTTLED. What the APA calls them is what they are.

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[ElitePoultry]

Im glad Louise chimed in. She knows better than anyone.

The Spangled Orpingtons E have here in the states came from Thomas' line of birds. So tjey have to be correct. They may not have been bred the way he breeds them but geneticaly they are the same.

Im glad we have educated conversations about these things. It only helps better educate us.

Thanks guys!

 

[lildinkem]

Im glad Louise chimed in. She knows better than anyone.

The Spangled Orpingtons E have here in the states came from Thomas' line of birds. So tjey have to be correct. They may not have been bred the way he breeds them but geneticaly they are the same.

Im glad we have educated conversations about these things. It only helps better educate us.

Thanks guys!

This bird did not come from Thomas line of birds. I posted this pic 3 years ago. Behind the hen is her daughter. Who looked just like this girl until her first molt. Then she looked more like an Exchequer. You can see a glimpse of her in the back. Until the APA accepts them or any of these new varieties you can call them what ever you want. I do not sell so I call them "Exchequers".




This was posted by Bo on SHOWBIRDBID.COM Cochins thread on how to breed Mottleds.
In thinking about the mottled large cochins of which Tom, Jamie, Clare, others and myself are working on let's look at what we are aiming for in this variety.
1. Type, Type, Type, Type, Type!!!!! Must have or you don't have birds, remember they are large cochins.
2. In establishing the standard for this variety the shape and general defects and disqualifications are already set for the breed what needs to be determined is the plumage of the male and female bird.
3. The mottling should be crisp white, V-shaped, not spangled, cresent or half moon shaped shaped.
4. Not every feather will be mottled, on average one feather in three will be mottled the rest solid black with a good green sheen. The different sections will have minor variations in number of feathers mottled but on average about one in three.
I like the mottled plumage description in the ABA Standard but I do think that more than one solid white feather in any section of the plumage other than the foot feathering should be grounds for disqualification and birds exhibiting too much white counted as a serious defect.
Feel free to chime in on what your ideas are for this variety.



Blessings to all,

Bo



Again, this was posted on another site about what the definition is about Mottleds.

 

[aveca]

I thought the Information was interesting..not anything i am ever going to get into...but enjoy discussions about them..and learning..

 

[yaya1215]

On a lighter note; Had some chicks hatch overnight from Three Ravens line (courtesy of a pair I got from Roger) as well as some I picked up from someone else who had blacks from the Three Ravens line. Anyway, the eggs I was shipped were all normal sized for the black chicks, but 2. Two of the eggs in the dozen were giant sized (I joked that they were pterodactyl eggs). The only two that hatched were the huge eggs which resulted in huge chicks. Empress (or Emperor) and Pudge weighed in at 1.8 and 1.7 oz at 12 hrs old. The blues/splashed I've hatched two weeks ago and today average at about 1.2 - 1.4 oz.


From left to right: Empress and Pudge



All three together.

So what do most people average on weight with chicks? I've only recently started weighing chicks to see if there is any correlation between hatch weight and adult size to see if this will help to be able to downsize at a younger age...right now I'm keeping most of my chicks until they are at least 6 months old.

 

[rebel yell]

Good looking chicks.

 

[delisha]

On a lighter note; Had some chicks hatch overnight from Three Ravens line (courtesy of a pair I got from Roger) as well as some I picked up from someone else who had blacks from the Three Ravens line. Anyway, the eggs I was shipped were all normal sized for the black chicks, but 2. Two of the eggs in the dozen were giant sized (I joked that they were pterodactyl eggs). The only two that hatched were the huge eggs which resulted in huge chicks. Empress (or Emperor) and Pudge weighed in at 1.8 and 1.7 oz at 12 hrs old. The blues/splashed I've hatched two weeks ago and today average at about 1.2 - 1.4 oz.


From left to right: Empress and Pudge



All three together.

So what do most people average on weight with chicks? I've only recently started weighing chicks to see if there is any correlation between hatch weight and adult size to see if this will help to be able to downsize at a younger age...right now I'm keeping most of my chicks until they are at least 6 months old.

I do not weight them..but perhaps I may if I get an exceptional fatty. I have one now I might weight. Supper fat. Huge egg. Beautiful sable looking chick.

 

[delisha]

All the Orps and beautiful. hanks for posting the *Spangled Orps* They are beautiful.

I think Marc should post some pictures..