The IMPORTED ENGLISH Orpington Thread

[BamaChicken]

My how these birds do mature when your not looking.. This boy is starting to bloom

Ceasar showing off his new physique!

Ha ha looks like he thinks he is a Eagle and about to fly. Got his soaring wings on.
Or coming in for Landing. I am sorry I just get the visual pics in my head. He is mighty pretty

 

[Renie'sPeeps]

Ha ha looks like he thinks he is a Eagle and about to fly. Got his soaring wings on.
Or coming in for Landing. I am sorry I just get the visual pics in my head. He is mighty pretty

I think it is pretty funny too... I can't stop looking at it.. haha I have seen millions of chicken pictures... but not one just like this

 

[wekiva bird]

9 or 10 months old. Old enough to make chocolate pullet chicks. Thank you Julie, Ayslen, and Vickie for the nice compliments.... I've had a lot of interested people wanting chicks from him and the nice girls. Here's some fresh pics. I call him Houdini. He is an escape artist.

Very nice roo!

 

[Blarneyeggs]

My blue babies coming up, one much darker than the other, I think they're both pullets:

 

[BamaChicken]

My blue babies coming up, one much darker than the other, I think they're both pullets:


Very pretty both. You are just going to get three shades of blue with blues

 

[aveca]

Thought this was interesting banter from a UK site..borrowed it to help those who may be new to breeding blue..thou most of you know this and could add to it.

http://www.schwarz-orpington.de/schwarz_orpington/blaugesaeumt.html

, I did not know of this a few months back either until we had discussion about it on a German forum which made me go back over posts at The Coop. see http://www.the-coop.org/cgi-bin/UBB/ult ... 328#000014 Also, one very good German breeder of Orpingtons has made this observation about the Blacks that should have been Blues. He says "The crossing of 1,0 splash with 0,1 black gives more than 90% blue chicks, while theoretically it should be 100%." (http://www.schwarz-orpington.de/schwarz ... aeumt.html)

You are totally right about the White potentially carrying blue. A lot of white birds carry Blue and Silver and dominant white or recessive white or both. I don't know what the white Orpingtons carry , but that's a good thought. Another possibility for getting blue out of black and white.

makes fascinating reading. i do know that Priscilla made her mottled orps by putting a black over or under a jubilee and the black removed the brown from them and hence she got spangled. perhaps a little more to it and a lot of managing the correct type and markings etc, but I did not think that Mr Cook created the jubilee from a speckled sussex, as, please put me right on this factor, I did not think they hhad been created then, I thought jubilees came first, then the speckled sussex which then dominated the market being a more dual purpose bird with better laying power than the orp and that is why the jubilee faded into oblivion in the UK. It is only now we are aquing them from the continent to re establish the correct type, a sall our UK ones are too much like the speckled sussex and the colouring is all wrong. I thought Mr cook used a wyandotte or cochin, but I am but an amateur on the genetics front, and the amount I know could be written on the back of a postage stamp with room to write war and peace.

My German friend who has worked on Jubilees for 10 years informed me he did not use any sussex, but wyandotte, cochin, rhode Island red and one other I cannot remember and of course the buff orp.

Exerpt.. William cook
ay state at the start that Buff Orpington pullets were selected of a chocolate or reddish-brown ground colour, and these were mated to the old Red Dorking, the cocks showing the most black in them being used. Many good coloured specimens were thus obtained by the first mating, and by continuous and careful selection of the progeny, the fifth toe and long back of the Dorking was stamped out. Golden Spangled Hamburgh cocks were also used on to many of the above first-crossed pullets. and here again the difficulty of the white lobe and rose comb had to be bred out.

 

[yaya1215]

Two days ago, I hatched out a very few chicks out of an imported splash rooster over two blue hens and a splash hen. The result: eight chicks that should be 100% blue, right? Two are pitch black down the back. Has anyone EVER produced black out of splash over blue? I know it's supposed to be impossible, but I only collected egg from this one pen over two weeks after they were put together for the first time, so fertilization from another cock should not be the issue. Has anyone ever had a chick that looks black, mature into a very dark blue? Any other explanations? There is NO WAY another cock could have gotten into the pen; 6 foot tall fences with a solid roof over head and only one pen out grazing ever at a time...


obvious blue on the left, Black? on the right

 

[rebel yell]

I would give it a while before calling it black, Its probely dark blue. I have had the same thing happen to.

 

[kidcody]

Aveca,
Very interesting....thanks for the info!

 

[aveca]

your welcome

Here is a little more. the only thing I can imagine is that the Red Dorking was not pure and carried one copy of the mottling gene (inherited from a speckled one; as mottling is recessive it does not show when only present as one copy, so the bird could perhaps have looked like a Red Dorking). Half of the offspring would inherit the mottling gene (again only as one copy) and crossing 2 of the F1's together who happen to carry that gene one would get 25% mottled (speckled) birds. It's just like the story of the Blue Orpingtons. The claim was that they were bred from black and white birds which does not really make sense as the Blue gene has to come from somewhere. As it happens there is the very occassional bird that is black despite carrying the gene for blue. Blue is "incompletely penetrant" which means that very occassionally a black bird appears that actually carries the blue gene. Cross that one to a white and bingo, you got a blue. One has to remember that Mendel was only working on his theories at the time, genetics was in its infancy, so people weren't asking all these awkward questions we ask now