The IMPORTED ENGLISH Orpington Thread

[aveca]

i know..nothing easy going on there..on the first page above it shows a small diagram how white orp was created..it seems strange to me the dorking..it might be somewhere in that book why they did that..it was in one of them..i think we have it pretty good today..most of this work was done..this book doesnt have the probablys that the web site did..

I don't think the brittanicararebreeds page it is entirely accurate. It has a lot of "probably" in there including this one which is to me a head scratcher: "Blue: Probably created by crossing Black Orpington with White Orpington, resulting in Blue, Black and Splash offspring"
I had no idea it would be so easy to create Blues. Oh wait, it's not!

 

[aveca]

i noticed in some of the young english that i have, they have these amazingly long legs must be a throwback to the long legged langshan in that illustration..it also must help when the long underfuff comes in..i have a lot to learn here..i think they amazingly beautiful in person...even their beaks fit together so perfectly it looks like they were made by an artist..if nothing else they are a very interesting bird ..i think the langshan tail seems to have changed a lot since then.,.

it is interesting to note the low tail angle of the Langshans used. Thanks for posting this.

Is that the keel showing in the Orp hen?

Walt

 

[aveca]

here are some early black orps ,you can see on that chart they are somewhere in the middle. and an early english seen below, he has a larger comb. a lot of these old books are a treasure , and the breeding practices still hold true today likr breeding for shape and color , last paragraph, bottom page.

 

[galanie]

If I'm not mistaken, the book is by the creator, Wm. Cook. If I am mistaken, there is a book with a similar name that he did write that reveals exactly how he made all this Orps. Starting with the black, then the white, etc. But of course not the blues and jubilee since he didn't make those. It is interesting how the buffs shared absolutely no blood with the blacks. None. But today they probably do.

It's not really as simple as "Used a langshan" though. It's langshan that were breeder's culls because they didn't have feathered legs. And so on for most of the other breeds. He used that breeder's culls because they did not have something he didn't want anyway from that breed.

 

[aveca]

yes, I have it in kindle..william cook, the title is a long one a fowl for our times ect...you are right, they took langshan culls that were clean legged, I was reading a story on australorp in australia, they sought out clean legged langshan to add to thier programs..interesting they went that route.. I could never figure out why the buffs looked different from the blacks..kind of blew me away that they used dorking in those too..I dont think there are anymore rosecomb orps are there?

in standard bred orpington there is an antire section devoted to development of english orpingtons..interesting stuff. gives us something to look at while we are waiting for more beautiful orp pics.

 

[syble]

While at a poultry show not long ago i was talking with a judge about the orps I had shown. he commented that they were very balanced and had strong type, but could use more size. He suggested that an out cross with some of the large English birds could do my birds a good service. Is there anyone that can recommend a breeder that may have some hatching eggs at this time in the season for big buffs and/or blues? large fowl of course?
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks
sib

 

[OSUman]

Heres the Cook Orp Book, that the ABA has on their website.

http://bantamclub.com/PDF/Orpington Book.pdf

 

[Shaffer]

OSUman,
I've seen one of his books that was reprinted for around $20 plus shipping. My computer locks up when I try to bring your posted sight up.

 

[galanie]

You can also find it here: http://www.archive.org/details/texts

Do a search and you can either read it online or download it in just about any format you want.

 

[thedragonlady]

here are some early black orps ,you can see on that chart they are somewhere in the middle. and an early english seen below, he has a larger comb. a lot of these old books are a treasure , and the breeding practices still hold true today likr breeding for shape and color , last paragraph, bottom page.

These pictures are really interesting. The first place C and H both look like English Orps of today. The third place Orps look like our current SOP Orps. How did that happen?? Look at the top and bottom lines.