The Legbar Thread!

[1muttsfan]

To me that dark barred rooster is drop dead gorgeous - the light barred one, not so much

 

[GaryDean26]

I have one of those brains that holds onto all kinds of random info and reassembles it when it's needed lol. Makes research kind of fun.

Best wishes for a great hatch Silverfox on your beautiful eggs!

2X

 

[ChicKat]

To me that dark barred rooster is drop dead gorgeous - the light barred one, not so much

X2 --

 

[normanack]

To me that dark barred rooster is drop dead gorgeous - the light barred one, not so much

Although, to be fair, the dark-barred rooster has better quality pictures, is groomed for showing, and has a tail in fabulous condition.

But I see your point.

 

[nicalandia]

Thanks! So...just to completely close the loop of the theory....the presumed difference now between the two Cream Legbars genetically is the barring genes - meaning the dark-barring and the light-barring - and in Barred Plymouth Rocks as you showed earlier -- there is a light nearly white roo and a dark - (like female BPR coloration) slate-colored roo and both are BPRs and their differentiation is the barring gene.

that is correct...

Basically Dark Barred males will have richer lemon colors and ligth barred males will have silverish colors(hackle saddle) thanks to the powerful diluting effect of light barring gene(or normal barring gene)... but this is if both birds carry the same amount of red color enhancers, meaning if a bird has autosomal red and the other lacks it then this will mean the one with autosomal red will have richer colors if both birds carry the same type of barring gene

 

[Habibs Hens]

with all due respect to everyone's preference

but this is the whole point of the cream Legbar breeders group

to get the Cream Legbar to be as close as possible to what it was first bred as

and dark bar was not what was meant to be for the Cream Legbar

don't get me wrong if you want dark bar then you go for it

but then it wont be a true Cream Legbar


Just as the Araucana is a breed that is referred to as Araucana, True Araucana and the Ameraucana (all being different variations)


if you choose to breed a Dark Cream Legbar the first thing is it wont be classed as cream colour second you would have to submit it into the APA for consideration and even then it would prob be recognised as a different breed variety rather than a Cream Legbar brining in the New name for Real Cream Legbars to True Cream Legbars



So in the spirit of correction of this breed I think its in the best interest if all breeders to strive to create the correct Legbar not a personal preference one (not that im saying you cant, yes you can, but it wont be a CLB)


(now to see how many people rip into this post)

 

[Flowers of Abba]

with all due respect to everyone's preference

but this is the whole point of the cream Legbar breeders group

to get the Cream Legbar to be as close as possible to what it was first bred as

and dark bar was not what was meant to be for the Cream Legbar

don't get me wrong if you want dark bar then you go for it

but then it wont be a true Cream Legbar


Just as the Araucana is a breed that is referred to as Araucana, True Araucana and the Ameraucana (all being different variations)


if you choose to breed a Dark Cream Legbar the first thing is it wont be classed as cream colour second you would have to submit it into the APA for consideration and even then it would prob be recognised as a different breed variety rather than a Cream Legbar brining in the New name for Real Cream Legbars to True Cream Legbars



So in the spirit of correction of this breed I think its in the best interest if all breeders to strive to create the correct Legbar not a personal preference one (not that im saying you cant, yes you can, but it wont be a CLB)


(now to see how many people rip into this post) 

Well IMO ... I am hoping to hatch 6ccl :5 pullet/1roo (haha dreaming- I have 6 in the incubator)
But seriously, I'm reading this thread to gain good information on breeding them in the future. It's good to have personal favorites. However breeding to "sell " carries a responsibility to the breeder to properly maintain what your "selling"... So as long as your not cursing anyone out I value your input!

Even though the study on the barring gene is soooo giving me a headache!!!

Thank you everyone for this thread;-)
Kandi

 

[Habibs Hens]

Well IMO ... I am hoping to hatch 6ccl :5 pullet/1roo (haha dreaming- I have 6 in the incubator)
But seriously, I'm reading this thread to gain good information on breeding them in the future. It's good to have personal favorites. However breeding to "sell " carries a responsibility to the breeder to properly maintain what your "selling"... So as long as your not cursing anyone out I value your input!

Even though the study on the barring gene is soooo giving me a headache!!!

Thank you everyone for this thread;-)
Kandi

oh no not cursing anyone out at all

and certainly not selling my eggs yet

the point im making is the cream Legbar even in the UK has been the victim of horrendous keepers screwing with the breed crossing it keeping rubbish examples and breeding a cross back to a pure and so on and so forth

that's why the barring is messed and the main culprit is the RSL which has BPR blood so the barring gets messed about along with the RED of the RIR that's in RSLs and sometimes the RSL can be RIR x Sussex (Columbian) so then you get a so called Legbar that has Columbian Hackles as well are the barring and its becomes a real messy experience

So that's why my point here is lets just strive and stick to what is supposed to be a TRUE Cream Legbar

 

[Flowers of Abba]

oh no not cursing anyone out at all

and certainly not selling my eggs yet

the point im making is the cream Legbar even in the UK has been the victim of horrendous keepers screwing with the breed crossing it keeping rubbish examples and breeding a cross back to a pure and so on and so forth

that's why the barring is messed and the main culprit is the RSL which has BPR blood so the barring gets messed about along with the RED of the RIR that's in RSLs and sometimes the RSL can be RIR x Sussex (Columbian) so then you get a so called Legbar that has Columbian Hackles as well are the barring and its becomes a real messy experience

So that's why my point here is lets just strive and stick to what is supposed to be a TRUE Cream Legbar

Gotcha - that's where I was going... But I sometimes have a fun project on the side . (The kids used a barnie roo with an EE for olive eggs...) but they were my hens so I knew what their x was. How do you know with the ccl now? That's a lot of crossing history. Do you have someone with whom you can show photographs of your stock to or for visual verification of standards?

That's what I plan to do here... On this thread. Post and ask questions as I go. I think peer evaluation is invaluable. Hopefully my little blue eggs are up to snuff . You guys will be seeing pictures shortly;-)

 

[Habibs Hens]

Gotcha - that's where I was going... But I sometimes have a fun project on the side . (The kids used a barnie roo with an EE for olive eggs...) but they were my hens so I knew what their x was. How do you know with the ccl now? That's a lot of crossing history. Do you have someone with whom you can show photographs of your stock to or for visual verification of standards?

That's what I plan to do here... On this thread. Post and ask questions as I go. I think peer evaluation is invaluable. Hopefully my little blue eggs are up to snuff . You guys will be seeing pictures shortly;-)

my plan here is to try help my fellow neighbours get good likenesses to what they should be

I know of the crosses as many are being sold as commercial strains

columbines, sapphires, Cotswold and people are thinking they are true but they are hybrids

and I have comparisons as I hybridise my CCLs myself but only for blue eggs not to defraud anyone as to them being CCLs I have pures as well and also have eggs from known breeders

the comparisons I can do with my own young and know what fake hybrids look like from there

I have bred Sapphires and columbines and they look awful as legbars but lay a wonderful green egg and I keep them in the Hybrid coop as my laying hens