The Legbar Thread!

[1muttsfan]

That's not going to help much if your purpose is to find out if a gold bird carries recessive cream

 

[nicalandia]

That's not going to help much if your purpose is to find out if a gold bird carries recessive cream

why not?

with a cream rooster(say a cream light brown leghorn) mated to a "Cream Legbar" female suspected to carry the cream gene hidden in her. if say you hatch 20 female chicks and all of them turn out to be gold then chances(high) are the female does not carry cream....But if you get 50% of the females with lemon/cream hackles then the suspected CCL hen does carry cream even if it looks gold(Ig+/ig)..


Or say you suspect your good looking Cream Creasted legbar with the correct Light Lemon or Silver colored hackles and saddle are infact silver or gold you can do a test mating. Cross the suspected CCL rooster to a Silver Leghorn and IF the females hatch gold then the male is infact gold with cream. but if you get any silver hens then you know you are dealing with silver. I posted a test cross done in the UK to test for such gene(Silver or Cream/Gold)

 

[1muttsfan]

And here I thought all cream colored crested legbars were gold with ig inhibition of gold, or silver!

Perhaps you misunderstood what I meant by gold and cream - I was speaking of Phenotype, not Genotype

 

[nicalandia]

And here I thought all cream colored crested legbars were gold with ig inhibition of gold, or silver!

Perhaps you misunderstood what I meant by gold and cream - I was speaking of Phenotype, not Genotype

While some Cream Legbar birds may look Silver the are infact based on cream inhibited gold(s+/s+ ig/ig) I posted a test mating a U.K breeder did a few years ago because she was told that her rooster looked to diluted to be gold and infact was Silver. But she went ahead and did the test mating cross and found out by herself that her silver looking cream legbar was infact Gold based

https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/459044/the-legbar-thread/3770#post_10880067



now here is what I've been trying to explain to alot of people and some may have not gotten the Idea, but I'll do it again any ways

Why some Cream Legbar roosters look Silver or near silver? Cream its not that powerful right? if it were then we would not have the Citroen(another name for lemon) Spangled Hamburgs and they would just look like Silver spangled Hamburgs, well that its correct. recessive cream(ig/ig) is not that powerful on it own...But when combined with another powerful diluter like homozygous(two copies of same gene) Barring. both of thise Diluters will infact dilute the lemon colored hackles to a near silver like hackles and saddles, Autosomal Red(chestnut on shoulders) its harder to get ridd of.

So Barring has a gold diluting effect? Yes.... but not only on gold, it will also affect the black feathers, it will turn black into grey barring, At least this is true on normal Barring birds.. as I have posted there are a few differnt Barring gene. one of them is the "Dark Barring" gene, this gene does not dilute the black or the gold on birds, this means that birds with cream will remain undiluted having richer hackle and saddle colors aswell as black barring on breast, just like heterozygous barred birds would but with better barring pattern

 

[1muttsfan]

I actually prefer the gold coloration and intend to keep some.

 

[ChicKat]

While some Cream Legbar birds may look Silver the are infact based on cream inhibited gold(s+/s+ ig/ig) I posted a test mating a U.K breeder did a few years ago because she was told that her rooster looked to diluted to be gold and infact was Silver. But she went ahead and did the test mating cross and found out by herself that her silver looking cream legbar was infact Gold based

https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/459044/the-legbar-thread/3770#post_10880067



now here is what I've been trying to explain to alot of people and some may have not gotten the Idea, but I'll do it again any ways

Why some Cream Legbar roosters look Silver or near silver? Cream its not that powerful right? if it were then we would not have the Citroen(another name for lemon) Spangled Hamburgs and they would just look like Silver spangled Hamburgs, well that its correct. recessive cream(ig/ig) is not that powerful on it own...But when combined with another powerful diluter like homozygous(two copies of same gene) Barring. both of thise Diluters will infact dilute the lemon colored hackles to a near silver like hackles and saddles, Autosomal Red(chestnut on shoulders) its harder to get ridd of.

So Barring has a gold diluting effect? Yes.... but not only on gold, it will also affect the black feathers, it will turn black into grey barring, At least this is true on normal Barring birds.. as I have posted there are a few differnt Barring gene. one of them is the "Dark Barring" gene, this gene does not dilute the black or the gold on birds, this means that birds with cream will remain undiluted having richer hackle and saddle colors aswell as black barring on breast, just like heterozygous barred birds would but with better barring pattern

Thanks for re-explaining.

Does this mean that a silver-looking plus gray barring is indicative of silver "Cream Legbar" and a silver-looking plus black barring is indicitive of a cream Cream Legbar? OR are they both Cream Legbar? So once again it comes back to the gray versus dark, dark gray or as I called it above black barring probably not REAlLY black just dark charcoal.

 

[CibolaChooks]

you crack me up. and thats all I'll say about it

I must have maid some some very solid points not to get a debate from you. I think you get the picture now. thats all ill say about it.

 

[CibolaChooks]

Hey everyone here is an amazing link that holds all or allot of punnets works. not just on the cream or legbars but on allot of stuff. I dont use this site but it was nice to find allot of his work in one place, they are all downloadable to your computer or you can just read the papers straight from the site.

Journal papers online - reference list - The Classroom @ The Coop

It was nice to read punnets works for myself. there is allot written about the dark vs light down and barring. Also the cream vs gold numbers they hatched and from what parings was interesting also. the paper on the "The action of the sex linked barring gene
on Spanish chickens with gold plumage" was interesting also.

 

[normanack]

. . . . the paper on the "The action of the sex linked barring gene
on Spanish chickens with gold plumage" was interesting also.

That article's title made me think that most people would fall asleep after the first couple sentences. Only genetically-inclined chicken people (i.e., basically everyone with Cream Legbars) will be reading it with great enthusiasm. I can't wait! Thanks!

 

[1muttsfan]

Thanks for the reference Steen