The Legbar Thread!

[flyingmonkeypoop]

Way back when we were still having color name debates, I used to call mine light brown legbar just because to me- the non-cream birds look like light brown leghorn with barring and I thought that if the colored birds are to be called crele that the cream should be cream crele but Marvin found cream crele leghorns and a long discussion followed. Basically all the legbar x wildtype mixes I have produced look like legbar with lighter hackle. The easterfelders match my crele phoenix bantams in overall color. This week I'll snap some pics to show what I'm seeing.

 

[flyingmonkeypoop]

I only have the mixed females except for the autosexing EE male and he is silver crele thanks to his mom...

 

[ChicKat]

Thanks FMP, can' wait to see picts...

If you get the chance, post or PM your silver crele I would be really interested and seeing that ! Thnx.

 

[flyingmonkeypoop]

Here he is a couple months back, he is much bigger now. I'll try for an updated pic. If he lacked barring, he would be like a pullet line dark brahma male color- a silver with lots of white in the breast. Father was pure legbar, mother contains RIR, partridge rock, EE, and barred rock. The silver is from the barred rock

 

[flyingmonkeypoop]

 

[jerryse]

This is really interesting to me -- and timely. ;O) --- to add to the confusion all Cream Legbars are actually Crele if we go by the crele = Wild type + barring definition of David Scriviner. (hope I spelled his name correctly the book isn't at hand. ) -- so a Cream Legbar is a CreamCrele, and a crele game is a Red-Crele (the really dark ones that are usually called Crele)--- is what you're seeing very light -- So a 'crele' Cream Legbar is lighter than the Crele Easter-felder - in a noticable way -- but is that the same as the crele in game birds?

Random old english game from the internet:

The top bird is single barred . He is darker and has a black feather in his tail . The bottom bird has 2 barring genes . Lighter in color and no solid black feather .

 

[flyingmonkeypoop]

Snapped a couple pics of the hackle to show what I was talking about. First picture shows two pullets from wildt type brown EE hen, the richer colored is from a bielefelder rooster and the other is from a legbar rooster.
The next picture shows the 'easter-felder' with a 'crele' legbar and a cream legbar.

 

[flyingmonkeypoop]

My thought is that whatever modifier legbars have that makes the hackle & saddle different in the males is responsible for the lighter hackle in females.

 

[ChicKat]

Thanks Michael,

in the second photo, the two chickens on the right, - I see what you are saying. IMO the melanizers are making the biggest difference, and this isn't fully addressed by SOP.

Because both females show barred hackles it cannot be the barring gene, unless as some long while back we recognized that there is a dark BPR and a light BPR and Australia for example accepts both BPR although different. don't have the photo handy though.

Here is part of where my concern comes in -- for a female with hackles like these:

Less dark barring to my eye than the one in the middle of photo two above, but more than the right-most chicken - and cream color -- certainly to my eye resembles butter, Not sure who's photo this is -- it is from this thread:
https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/...tive-legbars-sop-discussion/920#post_15379095 Thanks who's ever photo, and another thought is that these colors in your pictures may be really helpful in this thread:


https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/...-not-breeding-to-the-proposed-cream-standards

 

[tobit]

Time for an update, I believe they're 8 weeks old now! let me know what you guys think!