The Sizzle Thread!

[jajeanpierre]

She does not carry the frizzle gene. You will have to breed her to a frizzled bird if you want to get frizzles. Breeding her to a regular bird will not get you frizzles.

I agree, but the literature does suggest there is a modifying gene (very rare) that will lessen the frizzling effect of the frizzle gene.

Please explain what a "Sizzle" is. My understanding is that it is basically a Silkie/Cochin cross that over the generations has been developed to create a loosely soft-feathered bird that conforms to the Silkie standard except for the feathering which isn't silkied. Is that correct?

The name Sizzle suggests strongly to me that there is a frizzle component to the breed. Was the original goal to produce frizzled birds with smooth accepted? Or were smooth birds the goal, with frizzle accepted the way it is in many other breeds?

How close to being recognized by one of the APA or the Bantam association are they?

 

[PaintedFeathers]

I don't want frizzles. I want to add color to my Silkies. Are you certain smooths don't carry the frizzle gene? If so I could breed her to my Partridge smooth Frizzle cockerel!

yup

 

[PaintedFeathers]

I agree, but the literature does suggest there is a modifying gene (very rare) that will lessen the frizzling effect of the frizzle gene.

Please explain what a "Sizzle" is. My understanding is that it is basically a Silkie/Cochin cross that over the generations has been developed to create a loosely soft-feathered bird that conforms to the Silkie standard except for the feathering which isn't silkied. Is that correct?

The name Sizzle suggests strongly to me that there is a frizzle component to the breed. Was the original goal to produce frizzled birds with smooth accepted? Or were smooth birds the goal, with frizzle accepted the way it is in many other breeds?

How close to being recognized by one of the APA or the Bantam association are they?

Sizzles are silkies crossed with frizzled birds. You end up with smooth feathered and frizzle feathered birds. When you breed more generations of sizzles (breed back to silkies or interbreed the offspring) you will get smooth and frizzled sizzles, silkies, and frizzled silkies. A sizzle conforms to the silkie standard but has hard feathering. I don't know how close they are to being recognized, they are fairly new. I have just started breeding them myself, I love them =)

Smooth's do not carry a frizzling gene(typically), only the frizzles carry the gene. But supposedly if you breed a smooth sizzle to a frizzled sizzle you get better frizzling =) I haven't heard of any concealing modifier, but it is a very complex gene and no one knows everything about it.

 

[CarolinaHen]

Sizzles are silkies crossed with frizzled birds. You end up with smooth feathered and frizzle feathered birds. When you breed more generations of sizzles (breed back to silkies or interbreed the offspring) you will get smooth and frizzled sizzles, silkies, and frizzled silkies. A sizzle conforms to the silkie standard but has hard feathering. I don't know how close they are to being recognized, they are fairly new. I have just started breeding them myself, I love them =)

Smooth's do not carry a frizzling gene(typically), only the frizzles carry the gene. But supposedly if you breed a smooth sizzle to a frizzled sizzle you get better frizzling =) I haven't heard of any concealing modifier, but it is a very complex gene and no one knows everything about it.

If there are no known concealing modifiers, I am going to go for it!

 

[jajeanpierre]

Sizzles are silkies crossed with frizzled birds. You end up with smooth feathered and frizzle feathered birds. When you breed more generations of sizzles (breed back to silkies or interbreed the offspring) you will get smooth and frizzled sizzles, silkies, and frizzled silkies. A sizzle conforms to the silkie standard but has hard feathering. I don't know how close they are to being recognized, they are fairly new. I have just started breeding them myself, I love them =)

Smooth's do not carry a frizzling gene(typically), only the frizzles carry the gene. But supposedly if you breed a smooth sizzle to a frizzled sizzle you get better frizzling =) I haven't heard of any concealing modifier, but it is a very complex gene and no one knows everything about it.

Yes, there is a gene that modifies the expression of the frizzle feathering. It is the mf gene. You could have a bird that has a phenotype (outward appearance) of being a smooth and not carrying the frizzle gene that is actually genetically a frizzle. I don't know how common it is, but I would expect it to be rare, otherwise frizzles would be popping up unexpectedly in more smooth to smooth breeding.

 

[PaintedFeathers]

Yes, there is a gene that modifies the expression of the frizzle feathering. It is the mf gene. You could have a bird that has a phenotype (outward appearance) of being a smooth and not carrying the frizzle gene that is actually genetically a frizzle. I don't know how common it is, but I would expect it to be rare, otherwise frizzles would be popping up unexpectedly in more smooth to smooth breeding.

Yeah only way to know would be to breed them. But it's highly unlikely.

 

[jajeanpierre]

Yeah only way to know would be to breed them. But it's highly unlikely.

I agree--what you see (frizzle or smooth) is probably what you have genetically.

 

[Theresa sla]

I've also hear throw the grape vine, rumor and chicken myth.
That breeding a smooth hen or roo that had frizzle in its parentage. Have a higher chance at producing frizzled chicks as long as theyer mated back to a frizzle of course.
Anyone know if that's true? or just like stated above just a outside chance of a hidden gene?

I have however noticed that certain birds have a higher rate of frizzled offspring than others, I had a rooster that throw over 3/4 frizzle chicks all year long. Gave him to a friend and she reported back that 6 out of her 6 chicks from him are frizzled!! And his feathers are in perfect condition. and i know he's not double gened frizzle (frazle) becouse I breed him. And know for a fact that he's from a smooth dad over a frizzled hen?? So is this just luck?
I have also hear certain hens throw more pullet chicks than others aswell.
so could it really be true, Or is it all just chicken myth?
Any one know?

 

[ihavechickens2]

I've also hear throw the grape vine, rumor and chicken myth.
That breeding a smooth hen or roo that had frizzle in its parentage. Have a higher chance at producing frizzled chicks as long as theyer mated back to a frizzle of course.
Anyone know if that's true? or just like stated above just a outside chance of a hidden gene?

I have however noticed that certain birds have a higher rate of frizzled offspring than others, I had a rooster that throw over 3/4 frizzle chicks all year long. Gave him to a friend and she reported back that 6 out of her 6 chicks from him are frizzled!! And his feathers are in perfect condition. and i know he's not double gened frizzle (frazle) becouse I breed him. And know for a fact that he's from a smooth dad over a frizzled hen?? So is this just luck?
I have also hear certain hens throw more pullet chicks than others aswell.
so could it really be true, Or is it all just chicken myth?
Any one know?

I'm note sure but ik I used to have a hen that I hatched 5 eggs from and all 5 were girls, by different Roos too.

 

[PaintedFeathers]

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