The Supreme Court's Gun Ruling This Week - Not A Debate

[DuckyBoys]

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There will never be unrestricted gun rights. I would not suppor that either. Urban law enforcement like gun laws becase they think it will protect them from the criminals. It won't, it will protect them from the law abiding citizens because they are the only ones who will care if there is a handgun ban.

It is interesting to note that the constitution never said anything about hunting, yet you argue in favor of that instead of the rights put forth in the Bill of Rights??

 

[EweSheep]

This is a very interesting thread.....

Illinois has one of the strictist gun laws in the US and it is very poorly regulated or monitored.

My husband and I are Civil War reenactors and we proudly go both sides of the war and I do agree with most of you about guns or owning guns and the rights to protect yourself, your family and your property. HOwever the state laws dont see it that way. If you kill someone, you will be held liable and sent to prison because you used the weapon. That law needed to be changed or the judges needed to be updated on the laws and make decision on each and every case, not all cases are bad criminals but a God fearing, law abiding family man who had to be sent to prison for protecting his family when a burglar broke into his house and that poor man shot him to death. I feel NO pity toward the burglar but his family.

I have a FOID gun card, hubby does not. I owned a Remington pistol...the old type REPRODUCTION CW guns that uses black powder and its no way I can shoot it with a bullet or can I load it fast enough, black powder, and ball to shoot an intruder that entered in my house or repeated pit bull dog that killed my chickens again and again. Hubby has two Remingtons, an Enfield and a Sharps repeating rifle which they are too, black powder guns. However, hubby said he could convert one of the Remington pistols, by taking off the nipples of the chambers and I can use bullets. I dont know much about guns but I figured it could not be done because of the structure of the chambers. I am not afraid of using it when I am alone at home but I can not carry that pistol, too big and the hammer is hard to pull back out in public like concel weapons can. I dont have the license to carry a concelled weapon or is that included in my gun card issued by the state?

Get this one.....I dont know if this is true or not but anyone that knows the gun laws of the state of Illinois...please enlightened me. Hosts that runs the events has told us that black powder guns (pistols and rifles) you DO NOT need a gun card but if you have a automatic gun and uses bullets, you MUST have a FOID card. So which is which is acceptable.?

My husband hated the government that tells him that he needs a gun card for all of his weapons so he does not get into trouble with the law and so forth. And he was told that he does not need to be concelled in the vehicle. He must have rifles and guns exposed in backseat or more open but I think its more of a warning signal that all weapons must be hidden and away from the driver. However what if you get pulled over and got a bogus cop or a druggy threated to kill you, you would be dead before you can reach for your gun in teh backseat. Sometimes police officer would say you are trying to hide weapons and they will take it away from you because it s considered a threat to them and the public even you have a gun card.

As a woman myself, I dont see anything practical to keep gun and bullet chamber cartridges in my purse separately. If I know I got mugged or threated or raped, I would not be able to put the cartridge into the gun in time....the threating person would kill me before I can put my hand in my purse. Its the law of the state that all handguns and rifles AND cartridges must be stored separately! I think its a bunch of BS if you ask me!

I think everyone who is sane should have the right to bear arms. Lord knows we got plenty of people getting shot needlessly and some of them deserved it (drug lords).

 

[I have WHAT in my yard?]

Chickiebaby you are not alone.

I worry about some of the opinions I hear here, just as I am certain some of them worry about mine: opinions are like "picky sphincters" (insert appropriate word as you see fit) everyone has one and most of them stink!

One comment was about carrying making people more polite and restrained..... for some people who have been raised certain ways this may very well be true - it is simply not the case in most urban areas.....

When I say common sense is not common I mean it - common sense is only common to those people who have had similar experiences. The person raised on a farm in Minnesota has a very different set of ideas that they perceive as common sense than does th person raised in New York city. It is not that either is right or wrong, it is that they are different and both parties believe their ideas to be common sense......

 

[WriterofWords]

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You mean like our soldiers and Marines?

There is absolutely no comparison between college kids in a dorm and our soldiers and Marines. I know you were trying to make a point, but this comparison makes no sense.

I am a shooter, so is my son, he competes at the Rod and Gun club.
I support our rights but we have to make sure it is our right we are defending not just the idea of someone saying no to us.
I look at it a lot like a child who doesn't really want a cookie, but was told to stay away from the cookie jar. Now suddenly that child absolutely HAS to have a cookie, just because they were told they can't.

If my step-mother had not been dead set against using hand guns she and my then 8 and 6 year old sisters might be alive now. When the men broke into our house, and raped, sodomized, and murdered them, she had a weapon within arms reach. My dad's service revolver was in the night stand, she refused to even learn to load it.

I have my pistol in my night stand too, the rest of my weapons are in a locked case. They all have their place and their use. The hand gun is for self protection, the rifles are for hunting and competition.

NRA? Yes, Republican? Yes, Safe? Yes, or should I say as safe as one can be these days.

 

[DuckyBoys]

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Terrible terrible stuff, Writer of Words.

 

[cajunlizz]

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There will never be unrestricted gun rights. I would not suppor that either. Urban law enforcement like gun laws becase they think it will protect them from the criminals. It won't, it will protect them from the law abiding citizens because they are the only ones who will care if there is a handgun ban.

It is interesting to note that the constitution never said anything about hunting, yet you argue in favor of that instead of the rights put forth in the Bill of Rights??

Well , i hate to even bring this up , but as things are going DOWN HILL more and more everyday , economy , ETC. don't be surprised if BUSH declares Martial Law ( which would keep him in office , until its lifted ) and WHICH would indeed restrict all our rights , which includes any guns , protection , hunting , ETC.

 

[Oblio13]

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I went straight from a college dorm to the Marines, then back to college, then into the Marines again. Most of our troops are literally teenagers. All of our officers were - or are - college students. All of our officer candidates are college students.

 

[WriterofWords]

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I went straight from a college dorm to the Marines, then back to college, then into the Marines again. Most of our troops are literally teenagers. All of our officers were - or are - college students. All of our officer candidates are college students.

Yes they are college students who are no longer in college. I come from a long history of military officers, I was the only one to go enlisted. You can't compare handing a bunch of college kids in a dorm weapons, to giving them weapons with proper training IN the military. Some of the kids have grown up knowing how to shoot and respect weapons, most haven't.
You went FROM the dorm TO the Marines, you weren't handed a gun in your dorm room and told to have fun. If you are saying give them to college kids who have graduated from college, no longer live in the dorms and are now in the military that is a totally different idea that what you said above and that is fine, they will be taught how to use them properly.

 

[summerwindsfarm]

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Not in oklahoma or texas you wont. I agree with you though that *some* states have pretty stupid laws when it comes to defending yourself. In Oklahoma and Texas you also have the right to defend your property now.

 

[Oblio13]

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I went straight from a college dorm to the Marines, then back to college, then into the Marines again. Most of our troops are literally teenagers. All of our officers were - or are - college students. All of our officer candidates are college students.

Yes they are college students who are no longer in college. I come from a long history of military officers, I was the only one to go enlisted. You can't compare handing a bunch of college kids in a dorm weapons, to giving them weapons with proper training IN the military. Some of the kids have grown up knowing how to shoot and respect weapons, most haven't.
You went FROM the dorm TO the Marines, you weren't handed a gun in your dorm room and told to have fun. If you are saying give them to college kids who have graduated from college, no longer live in the dorms and are now in the military that is a totally different idea that what you said above and that is fine, they will be taught how to use them properly.

Actually, I got my first concealed carry license (from New York, of all places) at age 18, when I was in high school. I had a S&W model 59 pistol, a Sako .243 rifle, and a pump-action shotgun in my dorm room all through college. Against college rules. If there had been a Virginia-Tech-like incident at my college, perhaps I could have stopped it sooner. I certainly couldn't have made it much worse.