Kim, aren't you just getting all the broody luck there!
she makes a good mama!
The Welsummer Thread!!!!
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Did you get those from Nina?
Blessings
Harold
No, from Dave DeLong over in Scottsville (90 minutes closer than Nina in Abingdon). I found him on the breeder list, but he lives on part of the farm owned by the estate of my brother's deceased in-laws. My brother has known him for more than 20 years and vouched for him. He lives within three miles of my brother and two nephews, so it works out good.
Incidentally, the way I worded my post sounds like I got eggs and am incubating them. Actually, Dave set the eggs and I will get the day old or so chicks the first week of June. He has been great to work with and he wants to know that his chicks are going to someone who is responsible.
Yep and he is a good person to work with!
Did you get those from Nina?
Blessings
Harold
No, from Dave DeLong over in Scottsville (90 minutes closer than Nina in Abingdon). I found him on the breeder list, but he lives on part of the farm owned by the estate of my brother's deceased in-laws. My brother has known him for more than 20 years and vouched for him. He lives within three miles of my brother and two nephews, so it works out good.
Incidentally, the way I worded my post sounds like I got eggs and am incubating them. Actually, Dave set the eggs and I will get the day old or so chicks the first week of June. He has been great to work with and he wants to know that his chicks are going to someone who is responsible.
Yep and he is a good person to work with!
Ok the heads up on the "white fluff" on tails that I got from Marcel. It should be clearer for the US standard too.
The SOP of the Netherlands (the Standard) tells us that the tail has to be covered with the tail feathers.
So any white fluff feathers is a fault. The more you see, the more penatlty points you get.
It is quite simple.
For the UK, German and Denmark (or other countries in Europe) it is the same.
Marcel
The SOP of the Netherlands (the Standard) tells us that the tail has to be covered with the tail feathers.
So any white fluff feathers is a fault. The more you see, the more penatlty points you get.
It is quite simple.
For the UK, German and Denmark (or other countries in Europe) it is the same.
Marcel
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Interesting, thanks for the info!
Interesting, thanks for the info!
So where does the 'white fluff' come from? Is there a breed of chicken that the white fluff is NORMAL for?
I have chicks from 2 different breeders and on one set, the feathers growing in seem to have lt beige tips and one the others they don't. I have looked and it isn't a girl/boy thing.
So I need to see pictures of 10-14 day old Wellie chicks. The one set that HAS these tips is the group that the BLONDE wellie chick came from, so I'm just making sure the rest are 'good ones' at this point.
I've done my poor little Cassidy up in a leg brace and hobbles. She is NOT HAPPY, but it might help a bit. Check again and readjust in 3 days. She was actually getting a green bend in the upper leg bone from hopping about with the tendon off the knee. I've been stretching the leg back and trying to roll the tendon on the knee, but it hasn't rolled into place yet and now she's grown that 'bump' on the side of the joint. I don't hold out much hope for her, but she is one of 2 chicks hatched from a really nice dark egg and I would like to see how she feathers in. Plus, I'm no good at how to 'put her down'.
Sure wish I was a vet with access to barbituates, he'd put my parrot chicks down SO EASILY. But a vet appt for my chick is out of the question!
I'm doing what was recommended at poultry podiatry website.
Will try to take some pictures of this feathering I'm seeing cause I thought all GOOD wellie chicks had the same feather patterning initially at least!
I have chicks from 2 different breeders and on one set, the feathers growing in seem to have lt beige tips and one the others they don't. I have looked and it isn't a girl/boy thing.
So I need to see pictures of 10-14 day old Wellie chicks. The one set that HAS these tips is the group that the BLONDE wellie chick came from, so I'm just making sure the rest are 'good ones' at this point.
I've done my poor little Cassidy up in a leg brace and hobbles. She is NOT HAPPY, but it might help a bit. Check again and readjust in 3 days. She was actually getting a green bend in the upper leg bone from hopping about with the tendon off the knee. I've been stretching the leg back and trying to roll the tendon on the knee, but it hasn't rolled into place yet and now she's grown that 'bump' on the side of the joint. I don't hold out much hope for her, but she is one of 2 chicks hatched from a really nice dark egg and I would like to see how she feathers in. Plus, I'm no good at how to 'put her down'.
Sure wish I was a vet with access to barbituates, he'd put my parrot chicks down SO EASILY. But a vet appt for my chick is out of the question!
I'm doing what was recommended at poultry podiatry website.
Will try to take some pictures of this feathering I'm seeing cause I thought all GOOD wellie chicks had the same feather patterning initially at least!
I happened to see a comment posted on FB by Tyler about White Welsummers. Would anyone comment? I can see both veiwpoints but the originality of the breed would be lost. In fact, might just call the "American Welsummers" if they want to go with other breeds because "Americans" are mixed or something of a throwback that is not acceptable. Like for example, a British breeder had White Welsummers but no longer breeds them anymore or sold the flock. I don't have a lot of information on that so far. The Duckwings were a recent development but not widely acceptable. Please do respect the young man's opinion, he is just merely stating his facts that as we as the breed club have NO authority to reject White Welsummers.
Tyler: Robin, I have talked to the APA and they stated that it is not up to a breed club on if a new variety is allowed. New varieties can be submitted by individual breeders directly to the APA. The WCNA doesn't vote on approval or disapproval. The WCNA can chose to support or sponsor it or not but that doesn't mean that the...y can't be standardized. I do want to say that I am not currently breeding White Welsummers but maybe in the future.
To me, if one wants to go that route, someone will have to run another club for other colors because I will not be running it or promoting it. Having the WCNA is a big job for me and Nate and if any of you want to go elsewhere for other colors like some mentioned, the Lavender Welsummers, Black Welsummers, Silver and Gold Duckwings, Whites, I would wish you well but no hard feelings at all. I know it is America, that is what it is great about it, we can be creative with any colors of birds we want...sky is the limit! However the WCNA's purpose is this: to preserve the breed. When too many breeders going with other colors, the original stock will be small. I, too, have my dream color of Welsummers, like the blue partridge color but the egg color will suffer and possibly the conformation and disposition and type of the Welsummer may or may not be lost. I would not call them Blue Partridge Welsummers, just simply crossbreds, like the Olive Eggers! I personally do not have the space, resources to make a blue partridge color, to keep the egg color, for at least seven to ten generations to be considered a "Welsummer" so no deal with me. However I can do that with my Olive Egger project, the color much quicker and will get a sage or green egg almost everytime.
And above all, White Welsummers, IMO, are ugly and bland. Might be good for the dinner table.
Tyler: Robin, I have talked to the APA and they stated that it is not up to a breed club on if a new variety is allowed. New varieties can be submitted by individual breeders directly to the APA. The WCNA doesn't vote on approval or disapproval. The WCNA can chose to support or sponsor it or not but that doesn't mean that the...y can't be standardized. I do want to say that I am not currently breeding White Welsummers but maybe in the future.
To me, if one wants to go that route, someone will have to run another club for other colors because I will not be running it or promoting it. Having the WCNA is a big job for me and Nate and if any of you want to go elsewhere for other colors like some mentioned, the Lavender Welsummers, Black Welsummers, Silver and Gold Duckwings, Whites, I would wish you well but no hard feelings at all. I know it is America, that is what it is great about it, we can be creative with any colors of birds we want...sky is the limit! However the WCNA's purpose is this: to preserve the breed. When too many breeders going with other colors, the original stock will be small. I, too, have my dream color of Welsummers, like the blue partridge color but the egg color will suffer and possibly the conformation and disposition and type of the Welsummer may or may not be lost. I would not call them Blue Partridge Welsummers, just simply crossbreds, like the Olive Eggers! I personally do not have the space, resources to make a blue partridge color, to keep the egg color, for at least seven to ten generations to be considered a "Welsummer" so no deal with me. However I can do that with my Olive Egger project, the color much quicker and will get a sage or green egg almost everytime.
And above all, White Welsummers, IMO, are ugly and bland. Might be good for the dinner table.
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I have two Nite Guards and I'm all set to put up 4 more. They seemed to have worked for me. Follow the directions on the package when you place them on your property. I have not had any opossum or other critters get into my coops since I began using the Nite Guards.
I have two Nite Guards and I'm all set to put up 4 more. They seemed to have worked for me. Follow the directions on the package when you place them on your property. I have not had any opossum or other critters get into my coops since I began using the Nite Guards.
Nit guards?? Spooky things and I dont want my daughter waking up with nightmares LOL!
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During the debate on here, I don't think the APA was ever mentioned. The only decision put to us was would the club accept the color deviation. The vote was specific to the club and not the APA. I think that as a "club" the members can vote regarding what they support and what they don't support and that's what was done.
During the debate on here, I don't think the APA was ever mentioned. The only decision put to us was would the club accept the color deviation. The vote was specific to the club and not the APA. I think that as a "club" the members can vote regarding what they support and what they don't support and that's what was done.
Fay I do know that the members WANT the "REAL" thing.
There are people that want to "colorfy" the breed like we are doing to the Orpingtons, and now there are others wanting to do the same for the Welsummers. I can not justify in calling a white bird, a Welsummer. We all know what the Welsummer looks like and nor it should be confused with another breed that looks like a Welsummer, even for Brown Leghorns, or any similar patterned hen that looks like a Welsummer pullet.
If one would put something of a silhouette of a Welsummer vs to another closely related breed, can you tell them apart with the silhouette? No, you could not. With Orpingtons, you could tell the difference in the shape of an Orp vs the Rock. Its the color that stands out as well as the characteristic traits of feather, eyes, beak, structure of body, flesh color and leg color. The combination is what give the breed a name. With an Orp, we know they lay tan brown eggs while a Wellie would lay terra cotta brown egg like no other breed would have.
I know its America and we do have the tendency to breed what we want but in the long run, does it benefit the REAL Welsummer as a preservation, keeping the breed intact without any outside blood to keep the color AND egg color intact?
I have NO problem in people wanting to make crossbreds to get something out of it but it can not be simply call a "Welsummer".
When you see the breed name "Welsummer or Welsumer" (for UK folks), what are the few things about it that popped in your mind?
There are people that want to "colorfy" the breed like we are doing to the Orpingtons, and now there are others wanting to do the same for the Welsummers. I can not justify in calling a white bird, a Welsummer. We all know what the Welsummer looks like and nor it should be confused with another breed that looks like a Welsummer, even for Brown Leghorns, or any similar patterned hen that looks like a Welsummer pullet.
If one would put something of a silhouette of a Welsummer vs to another closely related breed, can you tell them apart with the silhouette? No, you could not. With Orpingtons, you could tell the difference in the shape of an Orp vs the Rock. Its the color that stands out as well as the characteristic traits of feather, eyes, beak, structure of body, flesh color and leg color. The combination is what give the breed a name. With an Orp, we know they lay tan brown eggs while a Wellie would lay terra cotta brown egg like no other breed would have.
I know its America and we do have the tendency to breed what we want but in the long run, does it benefit the REAL Welsummer as a preservation, keeping the breed intact without any outside blood to keep the color AND egg color intact?
I have NO problem in people wanting to make crossbreds to get something out of it but it can not be simply call a "Welsummer".
When you see the breed name "Welsummer or Welsumer" (for UK folks), what are the few things about it that popped in your mind?
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