Those who need help in sexing peafowl

[Yoda]

Birdrain : Part 2 of the quiz. Look at this hen, she was sold to me by a reputable breeder in my area, as a pure IB BS. For 3 years I had her paired w/ an

IB BS male, all chicks produced for 3 consecutive years were IB BS, they showed no white flights or throat latches. Based on this and her appearance what would you guess she is, genetically speaking?

She looks like what the breeder said, granted I cannot see her wings to see if any white flights but she looks to me like an IBBS hen like this one below:

 

[DylansMom]

How about you Birdrain? What do you see? You have the history what is your guess?

 

[DylansMom]

Well, I have to leave in a few minutes so I didn't want to leave this hanging. This past year I paired her with another male, one who I was very confident was a green with no splits. The chicks produced were a big surprise. White flights, white throat latches and white eyes on 1, 50% showed obvious white. I was so shocked that I gave the hen a very thorough insp. and found 1 flight with a white tip. The point is, I sold all those previous BS chicks as pure, based on appearances I had no reason to think otherwise. The breeders told me she was pure and 3 yeas of chicks seemed to back them up, but she is very definitely NOT pure.

 

[Yoda]

You're right I forgot to give a # to the hen on the end. I need to know how to count. I thought all BS male look like an IB just with Black Shoulders instead of barring didn't know that it could go to different colors. Learned something new just there. So the chicks in my photo there mother came from an IB hen and a BS male. The chicks dad is a BS so they have two generations of BS. Calypso is the only chick he has had turn out like this. She might be a mutation. To me it sounds like pure BS father and mother. If anything she might have two generations of BS and 1 IB generation like a grandma or grandfather that is IB and the other was a BS and the one of the parents is a split and the other is BS.

ok, Ib is the dominant color and barred wing is the dominant pattern. A BS is a pattern but needs a color. For example Cameo BS, Bronze BS and India Blue (IB) BS. A BS cannot be split to IB if the bird is an IB colored BS so it would be IBBS. Now you can have an IB (with barring on the wing) like in your photo and it can be split to BS so it basically looks IB with the barring on the wings but carries the BS pattern so if you bred that male (split to BS) to a BS hen you will get 50% BS chicks and 50% IB chicks split to BS. Now if the chicks father was BS and the mother was IB your chicks would all be IB split to BS and none would be BS, but if those chicks came from the parents you said then the hen is an IB split BS like I said above.

 

[Birdrain92]

The last two sentences were about your hen. I would say she looks just like a BS but she has a brown head which I don't know what that could that. I'm not an expert when it comes to BS I do know a few things just not a lot. IB and White, Pied, and Silver Pieds I've researched in depth. Even though when it came to Pieds and Silver Pieds things flipped ever since I joined this website. I learned that if a color bird had even the tiniest of white added to the plumage it was Pied and if there was little color added to the white plumage it's a Silver Pied. When there were more than that then it's like ??? I've seen chicks come from an IB hen and a White male and it looked just like a Pied and when that Pied became a mother that was mated to a white male her babies looked more white but had just a tiny bit of color. So it's kind of like Pied it can go to any color like Cameo, Purple, IB, or Charcoal.

 

[Yoda]

Well, I have to leave in a few minutes so I didn't want to leave this hanging. This past year I paired her with another male, one who I was very confident was a green with no splits. The chicks produced were a big surprise. White flights, white throat latches and white eyes on 1, 50% showed obvious white. I was so shocked that I gave the hen a very thorough insp. and found 1 flight with a white tip. The point is, I sold all those previous BS chicks as pure, based on appearances I had no reason to think otherwise. The breeders told me she was pure and 3 yeas of chicks seemed to back them up, but she is very definitely NOT pure.

What does the male look like? I am sorry but you asked him a question that he would not be able to answer without seeing the birds you mention. Unfortunately you did mention the chicks but failed to mention the second breeding to another male and what the chicks looked like, so that makes your question one that no one could even get right

In order to get a full train of white eyes both parents need to carry the w/e gene. No such thing as pure, the closest you will find is a wild one but then is that pure? only need one hen to escape to the jungle and the wilds are no longer "pure"

 

[DylansMom]

What does the male look like? I am sorry but you asked him a question that he would not be able to answer without seeing the birds you mention. Unfortunately you did mention the chicks but failed to mention the second breeding to another male and what the chicks looked like, so that makes your question one that no one could even get right

In order to get a full train of white eyes both parents need to carry the w/e gene. No such thing as pure, the closest you will find is a wild one but then is that pure? only need one hen to escape to the jungle and the wilds are no longer "pure"

Yoda, if you go back farther you will see that I did detail the outcome of the 3 breedings with the first male (a BS) and also the outcome of the breeding to the second male (a green) that appears to me to be pure. Birdrain didn't answer my question, which was if a hen is sold to you as BS by a reputable breeder and she is then paired with a BS male that also appears to be pure, and for 3 consecutive years you get chicks that are all BS and show no white feathers anywhere, what would his educated guess be as to her genetics? He would not answer, but my point wasn't to get a correct answer because nobody including myself could have known what she was carrying. My point was that we cannot claim our birds are 100% pure because we just don't know what is in their ancestry many generations ago. Nor do the people we purchased them from know, especially if they are coming from a hatchery that doesn't even specialize in peafowl.

 

[frenchblackcopper]

25 hours later,49 posts later,5 more pages. I think this should be done with day old chicks with a wingband number clearly visible in the pic.After all it was said tons of pages back by this threads starter they could sex peachicks at one day of age.Wonder how that would turn out,especially with day old b/s chicks? Or Opals,b/s variety of course? All indentical yellow fuzzballs with nothing to tell them from any other b/s chick,,but still if they can be 100% accurately sexed at one days ago,,I want in on the secret with a youtube tutorial,diagrams,power point displays,,I'm all in.

 

[connerhills]

If I recall, It is possible to loose colors or patterns when dealing with splits for a number of generations ? Maybe some one can comment on this ??? connerhills

 

[casportpony]

25 hours later,49 posts later,5 more pages. I think this should be done with day old chicks with a wingband number clearly visible in the pic.After all it was said tons of pages back by this threads starter they could sex peachicks at one day of age.Wonder how that would turn out,especially with day old b/s chicks? Or Opals,b/s variety of course? All indentical yellow fuzzballs with nothing to tell them from any other b/s chick,,but still if they can be 100% accurately sexed at one days ago,,I want in on the secret with a youtube tutorial,diagrams,power point displays,,I'm all in.

You'll see that when

-Kathy