Totally confused about Ivomec and how to use!!

[ZooMummzy]

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I agree with the vet!

Lol probably why no one in my family has ever had worms

 

[kuntrygirl]

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As far as how long until you eat the eggs after worming with Wazine, you should wait 2 weeks before eating the eggs. I will have to find that fact and post. I don't want to say without having factual information. I have a bottle at home. Not sure what the bottle says.

So sorry to hear about your hen dieing. Sorry for your loss.

 

[Germaine_11.20]

Thank you, I was very surprised and I just wanted to give a heads up that it can do that, why I don't know?

Gosh between the Ivermectin and Wazine I will never get to eat another egg again. Add we are supposed to worm every 30 days to break the cycle? Hmmmmm

 

[dawg53]

rustyswoman. Did I not tell you about eprinex yesterday? I also explained the reasons about/why there's withdrawal. There's no need to worm your chickens every 30 days. The cycle is broken when you use a second wormer besides wazine. There are many factors whether you decide to worm once a year, twice a year, once a quarter etc...your choice. Personally, I'm now worming every 3 months vice twice a year due to the high heat, high humidity, wet/damp soil....all of which is very condusive for worms, where I live. This why I switched to eprinex as I stated before, no egg withdrawal.

 

[kuntrygirl]

Yea, dawg's post #19 explains the no withdrawal. Worming 30 days is waaaayyyyy too much ! I read that twice a year is all you need. I'm gonna go with the twice a year.

I guess the schedule to worm more, would lead up to another discussion? Gotta love our topic after topic after topic discussions? But then again, this "think tank" that we have going on is good as far as educating all of us.

Question - Would the constant worming not be effective after a period of time? Would the worms stop responding to the wormer and not die and just continue to live being as though the wormer is being used so often? At what point and time would the worm medication be NOT effective as far as killing parasites if overly used? (does that make sense) Any thoughts?

 

[dawg53]

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This is why it's necessary to rotate wormers. Have you noticed that it seems everyone here is stuck on wazine or ivermectin? You want to worm every 6 months, your choice. Instead of using wazine and ivermectin next time...use Safeguard instead, or one of the other types of wormers; valbazen, quest plus or zimectrin gold and keep these in rotation as you wish. All of these are off label wormers and have different dosages for chickens. You are correct, we want to prevent worm immunity towards any given wormer, that's why it's important to rotate wormers. BTW, I have used all of these wormers and continue to do so in rotation with no immunity issues. As far as a given time a wormer is not effective...I have no clue, it's just common sense to rotate wormers.

 

[kuntrygirl]

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This is why it's necessary to rotate wormers. Have you noticed that it seems everyone here is stuck on wazine or ivermectin? You want to worm every 6 months, your choice. Instead of using wazine and ivermectin next time...use Safeguard instead, or one of the other types of wormers; valbazen, quest plus or zimectrin gold and keep these in rotation as you wish. All of these are off label wormers and have different dosages for chickens. You are correct, we want to prevent worm immunity towards any given wormer, that's why it's important to rotate wormers. BTW, I have used all of these wormers and continue to do so in rotation with no immunity issues. As far as a given time a wormer is not effective...I have no clue, it's just common sense to rotate wormers.

This would be my first time worming my chickens (believe it or not). Just never had to do it because I never saw "anything". I know that's no reason NOT to worm. Just because I didn't see any parasites, doesn't mean that they were never there. But it does make sense to rotate wormers. I don't know where to get Safeguard but will start looking around. I will rotate like you do. Makes sense to me.

 

[dawg53]

Most of the wormers I mentioned can be purchased at a feed store or TSC. I use Safeguard paste, inexpensive. It comes in a yellow/green toothpaste looking box, it's an equine wormer. Dosage is a "pea" size amount for each chicken. It's easier to put the "pea" sized amount on a small piece of bread and give a piece to each chicken. The quest plus and zimectrin gold are pastes also for horses. Both contain praziquantel, used to kill tapeworms. The zimectrin gold also contains ivermectin. Dosage for both wormers is "BB" size for each chicken, both are inexpensive. First time worming; I recommend wazine first, then use one of the other wormers 10-14 days later.

 

[kuntrygirl]

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Oooooooooooooook. Put a pea sized amount on a small piece of bread? I don't think that I will be able to do that with over 100 chickens.

Any other suggestions?

 

[Humhill]

I was researching all this a while back. Unfortunately I haven't actually started my rotation yet. However, this is the information I found through some other threads.

Please remember, this is only a suggestion from other threads and any medicating you do is at your own risk.

Here are some other things people said I found interesting:

For new birds/babies:
My first worming I use wazine and then during the necessary re-dose (you must always repeat piperazine worming) use the stronger wormer. Then I use the stronger wormer twice annually for those birds thereafter
I worm chicks at four months with ivermectin and put them in rotation with the adults for twice yearly. If on “old ground” start with Wazine

Fecals:
Alternatively, there are places online to which you can send fecal samples if you're interested. Foy's offers the service. (Call ahead to make sure they do fecals for poultry): http://www.foyspigeonsupplies.com/catalog/8000


A nice gentle flush (not a treatment strength, but more of a post-worming flush) is a tiny bit of molasses in water, mixed with applesauce, a little cooked oatmeal, yogurt, and some crumbles or egg mixed into a damp mash. The applesauce's pectin gently cleanses the digest tract while also making good bacteria "happy", the molasses also makes things flush ou ta bit, the yogurt replaces the good bacteria in the digestive tract, the oatmeal sooths, and the egg - well they just like it. Do it only one meal.