Trout N Grey Indian Runners

[DUCKGIRL89]

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I do...but I am in Australia. Many of the standards are the same- but there is some differences as well. The fawn and white are different here for one. Im not sure how many colours are recognized over there either though.

Whites are most popular in the show pen here. Its rare to see any coloured runners in any of the local Poultry club run shows. I have won Champion Light Waterfowl last year with one of my females- and this year at two separate shows one of my drakes got overall Champion Waterfowl.

Congrats!!!! Oh I looked at your page, hopeing to see pics of your birds, and I did! They are beautiful!!!

 

[animalsRawesome]

Duckyfromoz, I looked on your page too. Your birds are beautifull. Congrats on your drake getting overall champion!!! What are those things on your ducks feet?

 

[josh44]

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Not all of the ducks in the pic are runners, some are hybrid layers/ that look kinda like a campbell duck.
We just culled them out yesterday so there's no accidental cross breeding.
We don't want to get a mess of ducks

Only runners

 

[blueducklings]

Duckfromoz,
I love your harlequin
How would one breed that color? I have trout and blue trout.
I am dreaming of a gold trout, aka Erdsgelb.

md/md li/li e+/e+ r+/r+ d/d Bl/Bl
Does anyone have a gold trout picture?

 

[Duck Hill]

I think trout are M+ rather than Md. The Md would be dusky, hence without head stripes. I might try to breed a brown (gold) trout by breeding my trout duck, who is presumably

M+M+ lili e+e+ r+r+ D- BlBl

to a penciled runner drake

MdMd LiLi e+e+ RR dd BlBl

The babies will be

M+Md Lili e+e+ Rr+ Dd BlBl (or d- for the girls).

This will be a sex-linked mating so all the browns will be girls and all the boys will be darker. Therefore I only have to keep two ducklings to know I have one boy and one girl. Easy enough so far. But then it gets bad.

F2 generation will yield some pure brown trouts.

M+M+ lili e+e+ r+r+ dd BlBl (or d- for the girls).

Unfortunately, because of the M+Md, Lili, the Rr+ and the Dd in F2, there will be a lot of other mixes in the bunch and the proportion of pure brown trout will be about 1/128 (one quarter pure M+M+ times one quarter lili times half pure brown times one quarter without runner genes). So.... maybe I won't be trying for brown trout after all!

 

[blueducklings]

1/128

 

[Duck Hill]

Yea, 1/128. But.... a quarter of the F2 offspring would be Runners. Trout runner and pied runner and brown trout runner and penciled runner and nutmeg runners and... and... and...
And another quarter would be solid colored runners: Trout, grey, brown trout, etc.... The rest would be half runner, so would presumably have white spots and wing tips, probably. So it wouldn't be good to breed exactly brown trout, but might be great to breed a wide variety of beautiful ducks!

 

[blueducklings]

I am almost afraid to do the duck math for this to happen

 

[Duck Hill]

Hehehe math is fun... and it's easy to calculate probabilities once you understand. Really:

1) Calculate the probability for each gene as a simple Punnett Square.

Mom
R


r
Dad
R


RR


Rr
r

rR

rr
For example, Rr (mom) x Rr (dad) will give one out of four chances for RR, 2 of 4 = 1/2 to get Rr (because you'll get Rr and rR) and 1/4 rr.

2) Do a Punnett square for each separate gene. Your probability will be 1/4, 1/2, 3/4 or 1 for each gene. If the mother and father share the same genes, your probability is 1, unless there is a recessive hidden gene.

3) Then just multiply the different probabilities together. That's it!!!

Example: To get a brown trout in F2 as above, my probabilities were:

Not runner (rr) 1/4
Brown (if female) 1/2 (or 1/4 if male).
lili (both light genes) 1/4
M+M+ 1/4

1/4 x 1/2 x 1/4 x 1/4 = 1/128, so if it's a girl 1/128 for a brown trout, and if it's a boy 1/256 for a brown trout male. Since I only plan to breed a few ducklings each year,trying to breed a line of brown trout is NOT a realistic breeding goal for me given the ducks I own.

This type of calculation was very useful to me. It helped me determine my possible breeding goals (and to eliminate those that were not possible). In turn, this helped me understand which eggs I should put in the incubator!

 

[blueducklings]

Hehehe math is fun... and it's easy to calculate probabilities once you understand. Really:

1) Calculate the probability for each gene as a simple Punnett Square.

Mom
R


r
Dad
R


RR


Rr
r

rR

rr
For example, Rr (mom) x Rr (dad) will give one out of four chances for RR, 2 of 4 = 1/2 to get Rr (because you'll get Rr and rR) and 1/4 rr.

2) Do a Punnett square for each separate gene. Your probability will be 1/4, 1/2, 3/4 or 1 for each gene. If the mother and father share the same genes, your probability is 1, unless there is a recessive hidden gene.

3) Then just multiply the different probabilities together. That's it!!!

Example: To get a brown trout in F2 as above, my probabilities were:

Not runner (rr) 1/4
Brown (if female) 1/2 (or 1/4 if male).
lili (both light genes) 1/4
M+M+ 1/4

1/4 x 1/2 x 1/4 x 1/4 = 1/128, so if it's a girl 1/128 for a brown trout, and if it's a boy 1/256 for a brown trout male. Since I only plan to breed a few ducklings each year,trying to breed a line of brown trout is NOT a realistic breeding goal for me given the ducks I own.

This type of calculation was very useful to me. It helped me determine my possible breeding goals (and to eliminate those that were not possible). In turn, this helped me understand which eggs I should put in the incubator!

Here is my grand plan for 2016.
Breed the blue trout pair...
Breed the gold trout pair...
Then let the trout male mate with my rainbow girls (saxony, silverish, penciled runner, very chubby gold dusky) But I am seriously thinking to get rid of the penciled and the chubby girl. I don't like her form, and Dave suspect she might be part something else.

Wild mallard? But she is my only dusky. hmmmm.
So if I mated a gold trout to a gold trout I should get a whole house full of gold trout babies

Is this what is called homozygous. I like homozygous.

MOM: M+ li e+ r+ d Bl
DAD: M+ li e+ r+ d Bl

The only tricky one I am trying this season is blue trout. D+ / (D+)