ug! School requiring chicken pox vaccine... what next - flu shot? Rant

[Wifezilla]

Im not disagreeing with you. Im just saying the ingredients in vaccines may be to blame for all types of developmental disorders and delays by way of metal/chemical toxicity.

I think these things will get figured out with time. For now, we have a few competing theories. With the vitamin D/autism theory, it is something that is really easy to correct and there are NO side effects to getting the required amount of vitamin D. Lots of down sides to not getting immunized. We all have to weight the risks and make our choices.​

 

[luvmychicknkids]

Those side effects are not really frightening. Most would be well worth it to prevent cancer. I would gladly have a sore arm, fever, vomiting, diarrhea and a headache to prevent cancer. Does it state anywhere what percent of cancer cases are cause by those 4 strains? My guess is, the majority, but I don't know. I only have sons. The only serious side effects are basically if you are somehow allergic to the vaccine which can happen with anything. I could die from eating celery (deathly allergic to it) but that doesn't make celery a bad thing for most people.

 

[gckiddhouse]

Whether you are pro-vaccine or anti-vaccine (and there are VERY good arguments both ways, and the fact is that there are MANY vaccine injured people!!),
Please consider, my dear friends, that we live in a capitalistic society...
The big drug companies have MUCH to gain by selling you fear...
In most cases you can find just as much GOOD evidence against them as for them. Especially these new ones. UGh!

Something to consider - always.

Do your research. I did.

My daughter will NEVER have gardasil!
But if your daughter does, that is your choice. I hope you get your information from someone other than the drug company that publishes the information, or your doctor who sells it to you.

We should be very cautious about what we let our government "make us" do and who we believe...

Can we at least agree on that?

 

[Rosalind]

I know that if something was completely safe, there would studies to prove it and with sufficient evidence, people wouldn't be "complaining incessantly."

There are many, many studies showing that the risk of major injury from vaccination is extremely minimal (typically less than one in a million) vs. the risk of major injury or death due to infectious disease (anywhere from 1-30%, depending on the type of infection). There are already many MANY MANY studies to prove it: 157 of them in PubMed (online database of scientific studies). The overwhelming majority of those studies show that since mercury has been eliminated from vaccines, diagnoses are still on the rise, regardless.

People do complain about things that are completely safe, all the time. And about things which are just not to their liking. And about things which they read about on the internet somewhere. People complain when their doctors tell them to eat more vegetables and get more exercise--perfectly safe, good advice for them, but they don't want to so they won't. Diabetics complain about how often they have to test their blood sugar, because fingersticks hurt, even though fingersticks are safe and absolutely necessary for them to stay healthy. Heart disease patients complain when they're told to cut their sodium intake and lay off the deep-fried Snickers bars. Teenagers complain when they're told that doing you-know-what is a great way to catch diseases. Utilities departments complain when the public health officers tell them they need to install better filters so they can filter E. coli and mercury out of the drinking water!

(You did know that the vast majority of mercury exposure is from drinking water, right? And that it got there from coal-burning power plants? Yet no one seems too interested in shutting down coal-burning power plants. Why, do you think?)

Now, granted, modern medicine really needs to work on issues like patient compliance, that is, they need to figure out ways to get patients to complain less and follow their prescriptions as they're given. Patients don't like being told, "Sorry, there's nothing we can do for you," or "The medicine we will have to prescribe to cure this disease can possibly have some nasty side effects" or "You're going to have to stop eating beer-battered bologna sandwiches and Velveeta shells-n-cheese." Or even, "Take this medication three times daily for exactly ten days, no more no less." Modern medicine seems to do that sort of thing very poorly, judging by results.​

 

[Msbear]

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or does it state anywhere the percentage of those 4,000 women which die every year from cervical cancer who don't get routine pap smears or have health care? My bet is most of them. So, if I choose to get regular check-ups and have healthcare, maybe those risks wouldn't outweigh the potential benefits.

we could keep going back and fourth.

eta: I found it

The American Cancer Society reports that between 60 and 80 percent of American women with newly diagnosed invasive cervical cancer either have not had a Pap smear in the past five years, or have never had one.

Rosalind, you make some good points but I feel so strongly about this. There are many studies that support your view as well as studies that show there just isn't sufficient evidence to disprove mine. I think that vaccines aren't the direct cause of these problems Im talking about and this is the reason there isn't a proven link...just like Big Macs don't cause heart attacks but if you injest one regularly, you are much more suseptible to have one... maybe bad example... I just believe in some children, it's the excess of chemicals that tip the wagon.

 

[Up-the-Creek]

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I agree with you, this is what i was trying to say last night.

 

[Linda in San Diego]

Well, my kids HAD chicken pox, but I didn't take them to the Dr. so when the state said my DD had to have the shots - I told them I had religious objections, filled out a form and they could not ask me any more questions about it. Did the same for my DS at high school, we didn't get the shots done and I just claimed the objection.

I survived ChickenPox as did my 3 siblings, including my 1mo old baby sister. My DD got it before she was 1 along with her brothers and all the cousins. They were all fine.

Will I get shingles at some time in the future because of the virus - maybe, but friends have survived that too. Hurt like heck, but they got through it.

To each their own...

 

[mamaKate]

Like most of my generation I've had what people used to call "childhood illnesses." Let's see... measles, mumps, rubella, chicken pox and whooping cough(pertussis). Yes, it was rough, but probably harder on my mom who had to care for 4 sick kids at once than on me or my siblings. My older 3 kids had all recommended vaccines. Since then, though, my nephew developed autism symptoms after a vaccination and I stopped vaccinating. My two youngest were homeschooled and trained in careful handwashing and hygiene tactics. I think that gives them more of an edge than(possibly) risky vaccines. I also breastfed them for a LONG time.

 

[LA~Poulet]

There are many, many studies showing that the risk of major injury from vaccination is extremely minimal (typically less than one in a million)

I don't believe stats put out that are paid for by the same people who are selling the drugs, but that is just me. Personally I could rattle off a dozen people I know personally, including myself, who had adverse reactions (most being lifelong conditions) directly related to the vaccinations. I don't know 12 million people, so I know that statistic is unrealistic. Many doctors don't want to admit it (like my best friend, whose son initially had high screaming fevers & quit making eye contact & smiling the same night after his 6 month shots, but her doctor told her there was absolutely NO relation. She went back when he was 14 months for his year old shots, and that is when he quit talking. He was saying "Mama, cookie, train/choochoo, moo, dog, cat, juice" etc... High fever again, agonizing screams, quit talking and went into his own little world. He's now 13, huge, only regained a few words in the past year (not even what he was saying before the vaccinations at 14 months), and still in diapers. Live with that and tell her that vaccines injure only one in a million.

I bet she'd take that one in a million risk back if she could-and she is not the only one with an identical story that I personally know. Her doctor told her it was in no way related, it coincidentally just happened the same day as he received his shots. So many, likewise, go unreported. She has pictorial proof in his baby albums-his change in demeanor, eyes, and smile is unmistakable, but the doctor called her a liar and said that her son never talked, that must have been her imagination. I heard him, the doctor was the crazy one.

I'm NOT trying to be ugly or argue, but due to personal experiences, I know that the 'oh it's only one in a million' cannot possibly be true. That is why we only receive ones that are urgent-not a shot for every wishy washy thing-does that make sense?​

 

[claud]

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Yes, she had chicken pox 5 times. Her doctor confirmed it every time. Yes, you can get chicken pox again if you weren't exposed to it enough to have immunity. Each time she got chicken pox, she did not have it bad enough to build up an immunity. That is how the doctors explained it. They aren't sure why the vaccine worked the way it did on her. The vaccine was somewhat new when they did it. It also wasn't required at the time for school. It is now.

I was hospitalized with chicken pox at 17. I almost died. I know what shingles are too. When I got chicken pox, it sat dormant for 9 weeks. Our doctors thought by 4 weeks if I wasn't getting chicken pox, I must have had it when I was little. ( no one knew if I had when I was little, I was adopted)
At 9 weeks, I had it full blown and then some. I had 103 temp, hallucinating from the high fever, ear infections, and it was bad. They rushed me into the hospital to put me in quarintine, an ice bath to try and bring down my temp. It was one of the worse experiences I think I'd had. They thought I might get shingles, but my doctor says not everyone does. I was lucky in that sense.

I do hope if they are requiring it for school now, that they at least made the vaccine more effective. It sure as heck didn't work for her, it made it worse. We are hoping the last time she had chicken pox it was "bad" enough for her to have immunity to it now. I refused to let them do another vaccine.

Bluemoon

5 times is possible - very rare though. Some people have immune systems that just don't react well to a particular disease. It has nothing to do with the vaccine.