ug! School requiring chicken pox vaccine... what next - flu shot? Rant

[purr]

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My mother got shingles 1 yr ago and is still in excruciating pain that they told her she could have for the rest of her life. I'll take the shot thank you.

 

[Bluemoon420]

I just wanted to be clear. I have no problem with vaccines. It was just the chicken pox vaccine I personally had a problem with. In my case, they weren't sure what vaccines I had. I was adopted, and they weren't sure if I had been exposed to chicken pox when I was little. As for my daughter, she has been vaccinated against everything else with no problems, and it was the chicken pox vaccine I refused to revaccinate her for.

There are more States then just WV and MS that require mandatory vaccines. Some states you can get an exemption. The State my daughter goes to school in has mandatory vaccines.

Bluemoon

 

[purr]

I have WHAT in my yard? :

5 times?? That is not possible. she must have had something else. Once you have had chicken pox you can get shingles if you are re-exposed, but you cannot "catch" chicken pox again, that is the point of people (trying to get) chickens pox.

I get people's point, but I would get the shot for myself if I could have. I got chicken pox at a young age and having suffered from shingles, let me tell you it is not joke! Besides, we too have illegals here and I worry all the time about it. We had an outbreak of measles two years ago that came from an unvaccinated child you had traveled with his parents to a country where it was common. In our community the anti-vaccine movement is pretty strong. Or it was until this, the non-vaccinated children all got the measles and two died. People forget what it was like when the population wasn't vaccinated. They think these diseases are gone. They aren't.

It is your child and you have the right to say no. And, parents should absolutely keep on top of what is in the shots, and I do think the MMR shot should be separate shots and later. BUT, realize that the fewer people in a population that get the vaccine the more likely the disease is to return in earnest and the less immunity the whole population will have against it. It is not just about your child, it is about everybody's child.

I'm sorry but my daughter got chicken pox twice the doctor said it was such a mild case the first time that her body did not build up enough of the anti bodies and the second case was also mild and she could get it again she is 26 now and is going to get the vaccine​

 

[Rosalind]

Heavy metal toxicity closely resembles autism or aspergers or ADHD as well as many other things.

Sorry, but it really doesn't. At all. I know there are many people who believe so, but it really does not. A board-certified neurologist can tell the difference easily; a pediatrician who has never spent time working in cities where heavy metal contamination from the environment is common (e.g. East St Louis, mining communities in Montana), might not know the difference, but neurologists and many inner-city doctors do know the difference.

The vast majority of aluminum exposure comes from air, food and water, and it is rapidly excreted via the kidneys. About a hundred times more aluminum that gets into your body, got there by foil-wrapped food and aluminum dissolved in the drinking water than by vaccines. Mercury was removed from vaccines, frankly, because people complained incessantly and for no other reason: If the choice is to risk public health because people are scared of one particular preservative or use a different preservative, then it's worth it to use a different preservative. If the entire world suddenly converted to Judaism and declared that one of the vaccine formulation components was not kosher, then they'd do whatever needed to be done to make the vaccine kosher. Is a kosher vaccine formulation inherently medically better than a non-kosher one? Of course not, but it's what people want. Heck, there's compounding pharmacies that can make any medication of your choosing cherry-flavored vs. grape-flavored, but that doesn't mean that cherry is inherently better than grape or no flavor at all.​

 

[DiVon80]

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I have to agree w/ you on this one. Had chick.pox really bad as a child. I mean bad! Then after getting thru all the Katrina stress got a really bad case of shingles. Was thinking about the kids who were able to get the chickpox vaccine would never have to worry about shingles. BUT on the other hand do not like being told by govt. what to do w/ my kids. I will not get this swine flu vaccine(I believe this is some ploy) or any flu vaccine. These vaccines have mercury in them which messes w/ the immune system. In the animal world they have gone totally over kill w the vaccines. Really bad long term side effects.

 

[Wifezilla]

I do blame them for his autistic tendancies

Sorry, it isn't the vaccines. Most likely it has to do with genetics and vitamin D deficiency.

"Animal data has repeatedly shown that severe vitamin D deficiency during gestation dysregulates dozens of proteins involved in brain development and leads to rat pups with increased brain size and enlarged ventricles, abnormalities similar to those found in autistic children. Children with the Williams Syndrome, who can have greatly elevated calcitriol levels in early infancy, usually have phenotypes that are the opposite of autism. Children with vitamin D deficient rickets have several autistic markers that apparently disappear with high-dose vitamin D treatment. Estrogen and testosterone have very different effects on calcitriol's metabolism, differences that may explain the striking male/female sex ratios in autism. Calcitriol down-regulates production of inflammatory cytokines in the brain, cytokines that have been associated with autism. Consumption of vitamin D containing fish during pregnancy reduces autistic symptoms in offspring. Autism is more common in areas of impaired UVB penetration such as poleward latitudes, urban areas, areas with high air pollution, and areas of high precipitation. Autism is more common in dark-skinned persons and severe maternal vitamin D deficiency is exceptionally common the dark-skinned. Conclusion: simple Gaussian distributions of the enzyme that activates neural calcitriol combined with widespread gestational and/or early childhood vitamin D deficiency may explain both the genetics and epidemiology of autism. If so, much of the disease is iatrogenic, brought on by medical advice to avoid the sun."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17920208

"Last summer, Swedish researchers published a study in Developmental Medicine and Child Neurology that found the prevalence of autism and related disorders was three to four times higher among Somali immigrants than non-Somalis in Stockholm. The study reviewed the records of 2,437 children, born between 1988 and 1998 in Stockholm, in response to parents and teachers who had raised concerns about whether children with a Somali background were overrepresented in the total group of children with autism.

In Sweden, the 15,000-strong Somali community calls autism "the Swedish disease," says Elisabeth Fernell, a researcher at the Karolinska Institute in Stockholm and a co-author of the study.

In Minnesota, where there are an estimated 60,000 Somali immigrants, the situation was quite similar: There, health officials noted reports of autism among Somali refugees, who began arriving in 1993, comparable to those found in Sweden. Within several years of arrival, dozens of the Somali families whose children were born in the U.S. found themselves grappling with autism, says Huda Farah, a Somali-born molecular biologist who works on refugee resettlement issues with Minnesota health officials. The number of Somali children in the city's autism programs jumped from zero in 1999 to 43 in 2007, says Ann Fox, director of special education programs for Minneapolis schools. The number of Somali-speaking children in the Minneapolis school district increased from 1,773 to 2,029 during the same period.

Few, if any, Somalis had ever seen anything like it. "It has shocked the community," Farah says. "We never saw such a disease in Somalia. We do not even have a word for it."

What seemed to link the two regions was the fact that Somalis were getting less sun than in their native country—and therefore less vitamin D."
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=vitamin-d-and-autism

http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/health/autism/

The problem is that our environment is more toxic all the time and our bodies are reacting to it. Our foods are laden with additives and undigestable fake crap that is making us obese and sick.

The toxic components are the carbohydrates, soy, hydroginated fats, vegetable oils, and high fructose corn syrup. As for air, water and other pollutants, things are MUCH better than they were in the 60's and 70's. WAY better than during the days of the industrial revolution when everyone was sucking coal dust.​

 

[Lady Henevere]

I'm all for vaccines, but if you'd rather have your kid get chicken pox immunity the old-fashioned way, Google "pox parties."

 

[Bluemoon420]

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That's pretty much what we did the 5th and hopefully last time my daughter had chicken pox. My best friends kids had it, and my daughter got them again as well. It did appear she got them "bad" enough to not have them again. This was over 10 years ago, we would like to think she finally done with chicken pox.

Bluemoon

 

[luvmychicknkids]

Didn't manage to read the whole thread just wanted to add 2 cents. NO parent is required to vaccinate their children. You don't want to, homeschool your kids. Can't homeschool, don't want required vaccines, don't have kids. It's quite simple. No one is required to have children, however, any kid sent to a public school is required to take steps to protect themselves and others. And, those refusing a vaccine that could prevent their daughter from getting cancer on the basis she "isn't sexually active" make as much sense as those refusing their child condoms for the same reason. Thankfully unwanted babies aren't generally terminal.

 

[Lady Henevere]

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I thought your situation was really interesting -- I have had chicken pox three times, but since so many people say that's not possible, I was kind of assuming that my mother was just being a poor medical historian (she's not so great at remembering things correctly, and I was too little to remember the first two), but she was adamant that each outbreak was confirmed by my doctor. She also said, however, that the first two cases were mild (the third wasn't), so perhaps that why I got it a third time. I'm still careful though -- I try not to get exposed if I can help it, just in case I have some sort of defective chicken pox immunity system.