ug! School requiring chicken pox vaccine... what next - flu shot? Rant

[morelcabin]

My children are exempt from vaccinations. To do this, I had to go to the courthouse and sign an affiadavit and have it signed by the crown. Before I had that affidavit they would not allow my kids in school without vaccinations. Now they do...what a difference a peice of paper makes:>)

 

[Rhett&SarahsMom]

the way I see it. If the vaccines were the cause of autism then my daughter would be autistic. But she is not. Then again. Neither are myself or my dh and we both got all our vaccines in the 70s. So the theory that vaccines are the cause of autism just does NOT fly.
There has been research showing that there are actually OTHER things going on in these kids bodies and brains that 'triggers' autism.
Like low levels of vitamin D. More clumps of autism have been in the Pacific North west. where it is rainy and cloudy, than in sunny Florida.

I am glad that my dd is vaccinated. I am glad my state requires it for entering school. If you want to put your kids at risk for measles, mumps, rubella, chicken pox, polio etc. Go right ahead. But dont you dare come crying and asking for government care for your kid when /if they get it and they end up in the ER or ICU dying from it.
Oh. and we will ALL be getting the flu vaccine come fall. even though we have already been exposed.

 

[Rosalind]

IF the vaccines are so wonderful and provide so much protection...then those who are vaccinated should have nothing to fear from those who are unvaccinated.

Unless you're a cancer patient on chemo, whose immune system no longer functions normally. Unless you're HIV+. Unless you're very elderly, or have dearly beloved relatives and friends who are very elderly and could catch something from you during a visit (not getting sick yourself doesn't mean you can't be a carrier). Unless you're an organ or bone marrow transplant recipient. Unless you're a hepatitis patient, whose immune system is blown out from dealing with the hepatitis. Unless you're genetically immunodeficient. Unless you're on heavy-duty immunosuppressant drugs for asthma, rheumatoid arthritis, any type of lymphoma, lupus, Crohn's Disease, MS, Sjogren's disease...Gosh, that's an awful lot of people who can get seriously ill from infectious diseases, who rely on herd immunity to keep infections few and far between.

I think an awful lot of folks have forgotten how truly awful most of those infectious diseases were. My grandmother told me that the reason she had so many children (more than she and grandad could afford, really) was because in her day, it wasn't unusual for half your kids to die of infections. Yep, half. And back in the olden days, they most certainly did have plenty of fresh air and exercise and farm-fresh food--my mother won't let me hear the end of it, how terrible the food is in these modern times. Honestly, seriously, ask your parents and grandparents and great-grandparents: They'll tell you all about the hot summers when no one could go swimming because of polio deaths due to the public swimming pools, the children and adults who died or "disappeared" to go to sanitariums and polio wards, the old TB sanitariums where you got sent because there was no treatment except to wait until you got better or died, being lined up for the annual chest Xray every year in school and the kids who you didn't see for years after the Xray showed TB.

Requiring vaccines, as well as quarantine enforcement, is perfectly legal. And ethical: See the case of Mary Mallon for an explanation why. She made 33 people sick and killed three people, after she was told that she was carrying typhoid fever.

Also note, when it comes to money:
Price of actual vaccine dose for DTaP, paid to pharma: $1
Price of antibiotic course to treat pertussis or tetanus: $250-400, depending on whether the bacteria is resistant, hospitalization requirements, etc.
It's not in the pharmaceutical companies' financial interest to make vaccines. Often they agree to do so only to develop other technologies associated with vaccine production, which can be used in other manufacturing processes, sort of like how Ford agrees to build tanks for the Army so they can try out a new motor design that can later be used in F350s.

And finally, we know most of the causes of autism, and it's definitely NOT vaccines. It's 1. genetics 2. diagnostic criteria changes, so that a lot of kids who used to be called "mentally retarded" and "developmentally disabled" or, heck, "going through a phase" are now being classified as "autistic."

Disclaimer: I had pertussis as an adult from a non-vaccinated adult. It was three months of unrelenting misery, at a time when I did not have a job with paid sick days. I wouldn't wish it on anyone. If you think that all those nasty infectious diseases aren't really that bad, try coughing up blood, vomiting, having charley horses in your chest and stomach every 20 minutes, and even breaking ribs from coughing. For three months. Get vaccinated, ferthaluvvagod!​

 

[Bluemoon420]

I have WHAT in my yard? :

5 times?? That is not possible. she must have had something else. Once you have had chicken pox you can get shingles if you are re-exposed, but you cannot "catch" chicken pox again, that is the point of people (trying to get) chickens pox.

I get people's point, but I would get the shot for myself if I could have. I got chicken pox at a young age and having suffered from shingles, let me tell you it is not joke! Besides, we too have illegals here and I worry all the time about it. We had an outbreak of measles two years ago that came from an unvaccinated child you had traveled with his parents to a country where it was common. In our community the anti-vaccine movement is pretty strong. Or it was until this, the non-vaccinated children all got the measles and two died. People forget what it was like when the population wasn't vaccinated. They think these diseases are gone. They aren't.

It is your child and you have the right to say no. And, parents should absolutely keep on top of what is in the shots, and I do think the MMR shot should be separate shots and later. BUT, realize that the fewer people in a population that get the vaccine the more likely the disease is to return in earnest and the less immunity the whole population will have against it. It is not just about your child, it is about everybody's child.

Yes, she had chicken pox 5 times. Her doctor confirmed it every time. Yes, you can get chicken pox again if you weren't exposed to it enough to have immunity. Each time she got chicken pox, she did not have it bad enough to build up an immunity. That is how the doctors explained it. They aren't sure why the vaccine worked the way it did on her. The vaccine was somewhat new when they did it. It also wasn't required at the time for school. It is now.

I was hospitalized with chicken pox at 17. I almost died. I know what shingles are too. When I got chicken pox, it sat dormant for 9 weeks. Our doctors thought by 4 weeks if I wasn't getting chicken pox, I must have had it when I was little. ( no one knew if I had when I was little, I was adopted)
At 9 weeks, I had it full blown and then some. I had 103 temp, hallucinating from the high fever, ear infections, and it was bad. They rushed me into the hospital to put me in quarintine, an ice bath to try and bring down my temp. It was one of the worse experiences I think I'd had. They thought I might get shingles, but my doctor says not everyone does. I was lucky in that sense.

I do hope if they are requiring it for school now, that they at least made the vaccine more effective. It sure as heck didn't work for her, it made it worse. We are hoping the last time she had chicken pox it was "bad" enough for her to have immunity to it now. I refused to let them do another vaccine.

Bluemoon​

 

[chickens4me]

Here in SC you can sign a religious exemption to get you out of giving your child any shots. Perhaps there is some similiar form you could obtain from the Public Health Dept. in your area?

 

[farmerlor]

I am absolutely pro-vaccination. There have actually been cases of POLIO in these United States in the last couple of years. Polio, a disease we easily eradicated because of vaccine and now it's coming back?
But, that said, I HAD to give my daughter the chicken pox vaccine when she was a child because at the time she was a foster child. The vax must be live virus because my older kids who'd had chicken pox the good ol' fashioned way got it AGAIN from being exposed to her. So my advice is find someone who's just given their kid the cp vax or has cp and expose your kid to them sometime over the summer. Have the doctor sign something saying they've had it and forget it. If nothing else LIE and tell them your kid had cp over the summer. This is one vaccine I can't see the need for. I do understand about the risk for shingles and the bigger risks if you get it later in life but keep on the lookout for a Pox Party and you can avoid that.

 

[WriterofWords]

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So are you saying vaccinated people are fully immune from the diseases?
You can get the diseases with or without the vaccination. If your mentality is that unvaccinated children will bring diseases to schools then with your logic, the vaccinated children have nothing to worry about because they had their shots. Did you know natural immunity is a lot stronger than immunity built by vaccinations? Did you know that if you breastfeed your infant, you are passing off your immunities to the child, some of which will last for life?

Could you show me where I said that? Don't put words in my mouth. Also YES it DOES narrow the risk to the other children. IN case you can't read that I said it NARROWS the risk not eradicates it. Some children have immune system issues that places them in danger, more danger than others, and it's not fair to them to endanger them even more.

 

[PineBurrowPeeps]

I used to selectively vaccinate my kids. Now I don't vaccinate at all. My 3 1/2 year old has had nothing, not even the vitamin K injection at birth.
Ask for a religious exemption form.

 

[Msbear]

The problem is that our environment is more toxic all the time and our bodies are reacting to it. Our foods are laden with additives and undigestable fake crap that is making us obese and sick. Our children are obese and sick!!! Autism, ADHD, asbergers and other childhood disorders are growing in numbers rapidly because of known nero toxins found in the air, soil and vaccinations as well as medications.

The vaccines may not be the "cause" but they can definitely be the straw that breaks the camels back. I have spent a long, hard road bring my frenchie bulldog back from a life of chemical toxicity from vaccinations, fea dips, and other medications because of demodectic mange. I learned my lesson with her and started filling her dog bowl with rice, fresh veggies and salmon oil and no more vaccines!!! She is an inside dog and doesn't need them. Her hair has grown back and she doesn't spend her entire life dealing with her weakened immune system in the form of allergies.

I used this same method with my son. I will ponder this all again when he is ready. HE CERTAINLY WAS NOT at 1 day old in the hospital when they got me to sign a waiver for the HEp shot. I was still out of it and am now regretfull. (I found out later that they give all babies the shot just in case mom has it) I Don't Have It!!!

It is a money making industry and they have lobbyists who's full time job is to convince the lawmakers that these vaccines are necessary. Mercury may not be an ingredient any longer... Oh, I wonder why they took it out???? because it didn't do any harm??? Well, they replaced it with aluminum which IS a known neurotoxin. Heavy metal toxicity closely resembles autism or aspergers or ADHD as well as many other things. People are finding out now that these symptoms can be managed and even vanish with a healthy, all-natural diet, plenty of water ...basically a cleanse of toxic material in the body. I think more and more people are doing thier own research and relying on themselves to make the best decision for thier family and this is a good sign. My son stays home with mommy everyday... We hang at the park and go to playdates but Im confident I made the right decision and will cross the next bridge when we get there.

And to all of you that say "My son had all his vaccines and he's fine..so that can't be the cause" ..come on, get a brain!! All children are born differently. Some are more suseptible to things than others. I am, as I am sure you are, thankful your babies are healthy and strong.. but other moms' babies are not and they have spent countless hours researching online, speaking to the best doctors and tracing their steps to pin point a cause and many of these moms have come to one good answer... "My child was healthy, he had his vaccines, then he was not healthy." Maybe that child was already exposed to some level of metal which is found in our everyday environment.. in the air, in the soil or in the food.

My son had an elevated lead level when he was crawling around on the floor at 9 months. He stopped cooing... I was concerned and had the test done. We did our research and found out that because we live on a main road, we are exposed to leaded dust in our home that went hand to mouth. (leaded gasoline residue in our the soil along roads will last forever and when the wind blows, it can wind up in our homes) Would vaccines have been that straw...that broke my baby????

He is fine now... We wet mopped daily and his lead level has been normal and he is two and has a tremendous vocabulary... but I chose to take the most natural way.. just in case. And, Im happy to see so many folks on here can see clearly and feel confident in doing the research for themselves and make educated decisions. I live in a small town and whenever anyone questions my decsions, I just say spend at least 3 months out of your life doing the research, talking with medical doctors, chiropractors, reading testimonials of mothers who have lost thier children... then come to me and I will listen

To this date WV and MS are the only two states that actually require mandatory vaccinations. We are currently fighting this battle in WV and hope to have the same options the rest of you have by the time my son attends school.

 

[Msbear]

"some children have immune system issues that places them in danger, more danger than others, and it's not fair to them to endanger them even more."

These same children who have immune system issues are the ones most at risk of vaccination complications.

Im sorry for them but am not risking my childs health so that I can further protect them. This is a decision of what's best for each individual child and that's why I have such a hard time with mass vaccination. The individual child does not matter when dealing with the mass population. Erin don't play dat

If I cannot bring my son to a public school, then I will consider other options.