ug! School requiring chicken pox vaccine... what next - flu shot? Rant

[rufus]

I do believe that kids must have their shots to attend public school in Arizona. All of my illegal neighbors have their kids inoculated at the county clinics. Your tax dollars are paying for it. Read the paperwork when you register your children.

I personally doubt that inoculations cause autism. I would be more concerned about plastic baby bottles, vinyl floors and teflon coated cooking pots.

Never heat a plastic baby bottle in a microwave.

Rufus

 

[Fancie]

anything unnatural scares me.... your body should fight this stuff... thats what it was made to do. I understand the really bad stuff... I will let that slide... benifit clearly out ways the risk...

When your baby changes from a wide eyes healthy baby to a droggy baby that never seems to want to wake up the day after they give your child a shot... what else are you to suspect?? And with sooo many other moms screaming the same thing....

Before my oldest I though it was all foo foo too. "Mom's are just parnod" I rooled my eyes to all of it...

I haven't allowed a needle to touch my youngest and he is fine. He will get what he needs so he can go to school, and will start them when he is three. he will be older and it won't affect him so much.

 

[Up-the-Creek]

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YOUR children,YOUR decision. That is the way it should be. Nobody should be able to tell us what we "have" to do with our children.

 

[WriterofWords]

Yes schools should expect students to come in FULLY vaccinated. There is nothing like having 19 out of 23 students in a class out because someone came to school to sick because their parents chose not to have them vaccinated or even worse lied about it and falsified records.
Unfortunately a great amount of parents see the schools as babysitters, taking their children off their hands during the day no matter what. This means their child is sent to school with 103 degree fevers, because they don't want them home. They don't want the responsibility of vaccinating their children to prevent simple illnesses like the Chicken Pox which is highly contagious.
Yes you can choose not to have your child vaccinated and the public schools can choose to protect the rest of the students in the school, not to mention the staff of the school, by not allowing your child into the school. Yes it is our responsibility as parents to make good choices, it is also our responsibility to accept the limitations some of those choices may put on us. Please do not expect a public school to accept your unvaccinated child and endanger the rest of the students.

 

[okiron]

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So are you saying vaccinated people are fully immune from the diseases?

You can get the diseases with or without the vaccination. If your mentality is that unvaccinated children will bring diseases to schools then with your logic, the vaccinated children have nothing to worry about because they had their shots. Did you know natural immunity is a lot stronger than immunity built by vaccinations? Did you know that if you breastfeed your infant, you are passing off your immunities to the child, some of which will last for life?

 

[Bluemoon420]

While I can understand some of the vaccines, chicken pox is the one I have a problem with. I didn't get chicken pox until I was 17 years old, at that age is is VERY dangerous. However, If your child has already HAD chicken pox you shouldn't have to have them vaccinated for it. They have already had it.
That particular vaccine should be an expection. I remember asking my doctor about this, he was my doctor when I was a child. He basically said that a child shouldn't be required to have the chicken pox vaccine if they have already had chicken pox.
In my case, I should have had the vaccine ( had they been available back then) My daughter had not yet, and due to my situation he suggest she have it. Well, guess what. My daughter has had chicken pox 5 times! 5 freaking times. She's 15 now, and I do hope that her last bout with chicken pox has built up enough immunities where she won't have to worry about it anymore. The whole point of the vaccine was supposed to be so she DOESN'T get it as an adult like I was, but for whatever reason it didn't work very well.
So in my opinion, if they are going to require a child have a vaccine, fine. They should make sure it works as it is supposed to, because having chicken as an adult is very dangerous, and unfortunately it doesn't work as intended. At least not for my daughter it didn't, and now we have to worry about her possibly getting it a 6th time.

Bluemoon

 

[I have WHAT in my yard?]

5 times?? That is not possible. she must have had something else. Once you have had chicken pox you can get shingles if you are re-exposed, but you cannot "catch" chicken pox again, that is the point of people (trying to get) chickens pox.

I get people's point, but I would get the shot for myself if I could have. I got chicken pox at a young age and having suffered from shingles, let me tell you it is not joke! Besides, we too have illegals here and I worry all the time about it. We had an outbreak of measles two years ago that came from an unvaccinated child you had traveled with his parents to a country where it was common. In our community the anti-vaccine movement is pretty strong. Or it was until this, the non-vaccinated children all got the measles and two died. People forget what it was like when the population wasn't vaccinated. They think these diseases are gone. They aren't.

It is your child and you have the right to say no. And, parents should absolutely keep on top of what is in the shots, and I do think the MMR shot should be separate shots and later. BUT, realize that the fewer people in a population that get the vaccine the more likely the disease is to return in earnest and the less immunity the whole population will have against it. It is not just about your child, it is about everybody's child.

 

[erinm]

What happens when unvaccinated children come in contact with children or adults who have these diseases? Serious complications. Polio can kill, cripple and cause respiratory paralysis causing the victim to live with respiratory support.Pertussis can kill a child. There is no pertussis vaccine for adults last i knew so an adult can get it when their last vaccine wears off and pass that disease to an unvaccinated child. I knew 2 adults in the past 3 years who have had pertussis , they could have conceivably passed it to mine or my sisters kids had they not been vaccinated already. Diptheria can kill. Mumps can make a boy sterile.Measles can kill, meningitis will kill,and if somone does survive some kids have been maimed by the loss of limps due to the complication of severe infection. It is true that you develop a better immunity by natural infection but the risk of my child dying from some of these mostly preventable diseases is not worth taking a chance. i also agree with the science that has tested the autism theories and I do not believe the vaccine cause autism. I thnik that as in other diseases and disorders it has a time when it is likely to rear its ugly head. Whether it has to do with our poisoned enviroment is another matter. There is so much floating around now ,you do not know what your child is inhaling our ingesting half the time. But vaccines are mad ein a controlled enviroment and my kids had every one of them and are fine. If the vaccines caused it there would be many more with it I think.
One cannot get chicken pox 5 times. I agree that it was a different virus. In the case of roseola there are different virusus that look the same but are not roseola Many virus look and act like others. A sore throat and fever is not neccessarily strep but one may think that is what they have. your child does not have to have vaccines if they have already had the diseases. They can perform lab tests to check for them so it is a simple matter to get a titre drawn.
As for chicken pox it is generally not a dangerous virus. People who die or get dangerously ill with it have prior complications already and are already compromised. Chicken pox usually runs its course and leaves and the victim is fine. and shingles does not kill people on its own. I have never seen a patient die of shingles.It can cause chronic pain which can drive someone to suicide that is sure. i agree that for generally benign virusus there should be choice re: vaccine but not for measles, mumps, rubella,diptheria, meningitis and polio and whatever else i failed to mention.
yes anything unnatural can be scary but our bodies are not always made to fight things off. Like anything it is imperfect and sometimes the virus is stronger than us. just because we are human does not mean we are supposed to fight it off.! 300 years ago there were more deaths from disease. They did not have the chemicals, the pollution that we have now to compromise them. Were their bodies supposed to fight it off? they did not. they died. They buried their children. so we cannot blame the enviroment for making us not be able to fight it off. our human bodies do have limitations and to think our bodies are going to protect us is a blinded view. We are not impervious, never have been, never will be. ErinM

 

[Kesta]

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They lied.

Every parent has the option to not vaccinate their child for religious or personal reasons. Schools may tell you it is required, but every state has exemptions in their laws. There may be a form to sign or a letter to send but it is still your choice whether or not to vaccinate.

You would think they would be required to inform you of that. They more or less told me,"No shots,no school." She recieved her shots that day, she done fine with them, thank goodness. I didn't like it, I still don't like it, but what's done is done. And yes, there is positives in the shot, but this is not what I see as a shot that should be mandatory. Whats next?? The gardisil (sp?) shot?

thats the menachocal(sp?) menangitis shot right? if it is oh dont worry the school district i attend is requiring it for all children entering the 7th grade. this does not affect me because im not entering the 7th grade but it is outrageous! i really disagree with it. my school district never made me get the chicken pocs shot because i had em when i was 4. so they shouldnt make you get it

 

[equine623]

IF the vaccines are so wonderful and provide so much protection...then those who are vaccinated should have nothing to fear from those who are unvaccinated. It should be a parents' decision, (or legal guardian) as to what to do that is in the best interest of that child. Requiring vaccines is not legal and is unethical. Antibacterial products, pesticides, PTFE and other chemicals are cause huge problems too...just because the government or a company says something is safe doesn't mean it is true. Drug manufacturers are a big source of income for the government, of course they promote their own product. If schools want to help the health of children then they would do better to have time for fresh air and exercise, they wouldn't allow sick kids to come in and healthy food would be required. Idyllic and not really possible, so instead they opt to push for mass injections of poisons.

I think this is a really touchy subject, with a lot of different viewpoints but ultimately I feel, as her parent, it is my right to know what is best for my DD.