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Yes, think of horse and chicken manure of plants on steriods. Cause after they get those natural nutrients you'll be amazed at the difference.
Thank you for answering that question for me! I think I'm gonna give it a shot, and see how the next growing season does. I failed miserably with my gardens in the ground.
But my one raised bed did wonderfully. "Lots of carrots, radishes, herbs, and one tomato plant."
It would be nice to actually DO something with all the horse manure...
That should have been common sence. lol
Yes, think of horse and chicken manure of plants on steriods. Cause after they get those natural nutrients you'll be amazed at the difference.
Thank you for answering that question for me! I think I'm gonna give it a shot, and see how the next growing season does. I failed miserably with my gardens in the ground.
It would be nice to actually DO something with all the horse manure...
Cheryl. With raised beds I plant sooner cause I know my soil is going to be warmer up there then on the ground. Plus due to same factor come fall your plants will grow longer because of soil warmth.
I have mine a good foot or so high and add to them every year.
I saw an excellent suggestion the other day from a person planting potatoes.
Once they dig out the trench to plant the seed potato they leave it open a few days.
This allows that soil to warm up before they plant the seed covering it up.
Going to definitely do that next time. Makes sense.
I have mine a good foot or so high and add to them every year.
I saw an excellent suggestion the other day from a person planting potatoes.
Once they dig out the trench to plant the seed potato they leave it open a few days.
This allows that soil to warm up before they plant the seed covering it up.
Going to definitely do that next time. Makes sense.
Yesterday I posted about this..............
NY legislators want chickens vaccinated
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Two state legislators want to require farmers in New York to vaccinate their chickens against salmonella.
Sen. Daniel Squadron and Assemblyman Brian Kavanagh announced their proposal Sunday in front of a supermarket in New York City. Their idea comes after a nationwide recall of hundreds of millions of eggs. None of the recalled eggs came from New York.
The legislators say vaccinations costing one penny per dozen eggs could nearly eliminate the more than 100,000 salmonella cases each year in the U.S. if all states had such a law.
They plan to formally introduce the legislation this week.
I don't need no government involved with my chickens or anything else in my life. They have already stepped WAY beyond the constitution.
Of course this is another opportunity to gain control. Make money off the vacine.
It is absolutely NO SURPRISE these people had problems with their eggs.
Let the public be aware of the filthy corporate scum bags they are that are placing this food in our stores and have the public stop buying that food.
Don't hurt the rest of us who take good care of our chickens. It won't stop at vacines.
They will add permits, inspections, etc just to create more tax revenue and jobs all based on FEAR!
Rodents, other contamination found at 2 egg farms
Share By MARY CLARE JALONICK Associated Press Writer
Food and Drug Administration investigators have found rodents, seeping manure and even maggots at the Iowa egg farms believed to be responsible for as many as 1,500 cases of salmonella poisoning.
Story Published: Aug 30, 2010 at 1:40 PM PDT
WASHINGTON (AP) - Food and Drug Administration investigators have found rodents, seeping manure and even maggots at the Iowa egg farms believed to be responsible for as many as 1,500 cases of salmonella poisoning.
FDA officials released their initial observations of the investigations at Wright County Egg and Hillandale Farms on Monday. The two farms recalled more than half a billion eggs after salmonella illnesses were linked to their products earlier this month.
The reports released by the FDA show many different possible sources of contamination at both farms, including rodent, bug and wild bird infestation, uncontained manure, holes in walls and other problems that could have caused the outbreak. Several positive samples of salmonella have been found at both farms.
The agency released the initial observations as their investigations concluded Monday. Officials said they still cannot speculate on the cause of the outbreak but said the farms not only violated their own standards but also new egg rules put in place this summer.
Among the observations of the investigators:
- Live rodents and mice at both farms;
- Structural damage and holes in many locations at both farms, allowing wildlife access;
- Escaped chickens tracking manure through the houses;
- Employees not changing clothing properly when moving from one location to another and not sanitizing equipment properly;
- "Live flies too numerous to count" on egg belts, in the feed, on the eggs themselves at Wright County Egg;
- Dead and live maggots "too numerous to count" on the manure pit floor in one location at Wright County Egg;
- Manure piled four to eight feet high in five locations at Wright County Egg, leaning against and pushing open doors that allowed wildlife to enter the laying houses;
- Nonchicken feathers in a laying house and wild birds flying in and out of two facilities at Wright County Egg;
- Manure seeping through the foundation to the outside of laying houses in 13 locations at Wright County Egg;
- Rusted holes in feed bins and birds flying over the feed bins at Wright County Egg;
Animal feces and access to wildlife are normally the main concern of investigators looking for causes of an outbreak, as illnesses such as salmonella originate from feces. Michael Taylor, the FDA's deputy commissioner for foods, said in a briefing for reporters Monday that the agency cannot say how these conditions compare to other egg farms around the country but he believes they are "significant deviations from what is expected."
The agency has not traditionally inspected egg farms until there has been a problem. But the FDA will now inspect all of the nation's largest farms by the end of next year, the Obama administration announced last week.
NY legislators want chickens vaccinated
The Associated Press
Related
NEW YORK
Two state legislators want to require farmers in New York to vaccinate their chickens against salmonella.
Sen. Daniel Squadron and Assemblyman Brian Kavanagh announced their proposal Sunday in front of a supermarket in New York City. Their idea comes after a nationwide recall of hundreds of millions of eggs. None of the recalled eggs came from New York.
The legislators say vaccinations costing one penny per dozen eggs could nearly eliminate the more than 100,000 salmonella cases each year in the U.S. if all states had such a law.
They plan to formally introduce the legislation this week.
I don't need no government involved with my chickens or anything else in my life. They have already stepped WAY beyond the constitution.
Of course this is another opportunity to gain control. Make money off the vacine.
It is absolutely NO SURPRISE these people had problems with their eggs.
Let the public be aware of the filthy corporate scum bags they are that are placing this food in our stores and have the public stop buying that food.
Don't hurt the rest of us who take good care of our chickens. It won't stop at vacines.
They will add permits, inspections, etc just to create more tax revenue and jobs all based on FEAR!
Rodents, other contamination found at 2 egg farms
Share By MARY CLARE JALONICK Associated Press Writer
Food and Drug Administration investigators have found rodents, seeping manure and even maggots at the Iowa egg farms believed to be responsible for as many as 1,500 cases of salmonella poisoning.
Story Published: Aug 30, 2010 at 1:40 PM PDT
WASHINGTON (AP) - Food and Drug Administration investigators have found rodents, seeping manure and even maggots at the Iowa egg farms believed to be responsible for as many as 1,500 cases of salmonella poisoning.
FDA officials released their initial observations of the investigations at Wright County Egg and Hillandale Farms on Monday. The two farms recalled more than half a billion eggs after salmonella illnesses were linked to their products earlier this month.
The reports released by the FDA show many different possible sources of contamination at both farms, including rodent, bug and wild bird infestation, uncontained manure, holes in walls and other problems that could have caused the outbreak. Several positive samples of salmonella have been found at both farms.
The agency released the initial observations as their investigations concluded Monday. Officials said they still cannot speculate on the cause of the outbreak but said the farms not only violated their own standards but also new egg rules put in place this summer.
Among the observations of the investigators:
- Live rodents and mice at both farms;
- Structural damage and holes in many locations at both farms, allowing wildlife access;
- Escaped chickens tracking manure through the houses;
- Employees not changing clothing properly when moving from one location to another and not sanitizing equipment properly;
- "Live flies too numerous to count" on egg belts, in the feed, on the eggs themselves at Wright County Egg;
- Dead and live maggots "too numerous to count" on the manure pit floor in one location at Wright County Egg;
- Manure piled four to eight feet high in five locations at Wright County Egg, leaning against and pushing open doors that allowed wildlife to enter the laying houses;
- Nonchicken feathers in a laying house and wild birds flying in and out of two facilities at Wright County Egg;
- Manure seeping through the foundation to the outside of laying houses in 13 locations at Wright County Egg;
- Rusted holes in feed bins and birds flying over the feed bins at Wright County Egg;
Animal feces and access to wildlife are normally the main concern of investigators looking for causes of an outbreak, as illnesses such as salmonella originate from feces. Michael Taylor, the FDA's deputy commissioner for foods, said in a briefing for reporters Monday that the agency cannot say how these conditions compare to other egg farms around the country but he believes they are "significant deviations from what is expected."
The agency has not traditionally inspected egg farms until there has been a problem. But the FDA will now inspect all of the nation's largest farms by the end of next year, the Obama administration announced last week.
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You will love it here little lady!! It was fun chatting and exchanging pictures with you lastnight!! Cute chickies you have my dear!!
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You will love it here little lady!! It was fun chatting and exchanging pictures with you lastnight!! Cute chickies you have my dear!!
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You might want to consider covering to keep the rain off also. It is well documented that our Northwest rains leach nutrients from the soil as well as compost. Before I covered my piles to keep the rain off I could see dark brown water (compost tea)running off from underneath the pile right out to the creek bed. Thats wasted nutrients. Also, I heat compost and most of the piles I work on all summer and fall are finished by winter but some that need more time will cease to compost if I don't cover them because they are too wet. But, everyone has a system that works for them and if your compost grows great vegetables then its obviously working. Isn't it great what we do! We have ecofriendly sustainable farms.
Correct. I cover after a morning dose of water to keep it moist, turn every day and have the bad back to prove it...and the Fair's #1 Green beans, and assorted other vegies to prove it
Leaching of teas from the pile is sometimes a necessity as the manure pile is way way way too "HOT" and the nitrates and ammonia levels need to COOK off before the compost is able to support vegeatible life...and yes, it is wonderful what we do, and what we have been doing for 50 years...
Love my garden/chicken/hog/horse/goat/sustainable relationship on the land
and remember::
e greenest thing you could ever do is to breed respnsibly, and only replace yourself.
Even then we will have ba-zillions of migrants and immigrants taking over vast portions of what we call 'urban sprall'.....and all of them are having 6-10 kids per....if you have an acre of dirt, guard it with your life.
I don't usually have a problem with ammonia. With the correct amounts of the ingredients my compost is very earthy and sweet. If the pile smells of ammonia it's a quick fix with adding some dry brown ingredients such as straw or dry leaves as using too much chicken manure will creates a too hot pile. And I wait until my pile is completely finished composting and cooled before I use it. A tell tale sign of a finished pile is an abundance of earthworms! Really good stuff!
You might want to consider covering to keep the rain off also. It is well documented that our Northwest rains leach nutrients from the soil as well as compost. Before I covered my piles to keep the rain off I could see dark brown water (compost tea)running off from underneath the pile right out to the creek bed. Thats wasted nutrients. Also, I heat compost and most of the piles I work on all summer and fall are finished by winter but some that need more time will cease to compost if I don't cover them because they are too wet. But, everyone has a system that works for them and if your compost grows great vegetables then its obviously working. Isn't it great what we do! We have ecofriendly sustainable farms.
Correct. I cover after a morning dose of water to keep it moist, turn every day and have the bad back to prove it...and the Fair's #1 Green beans, and assorted other vegies to prove it
Leaching of teas from the pile is sometimes a necessity as the manure pile is way way way too "HOT" and the nitrates and ammonia levels need to COOK off before the compost is able to support vegeatible life...and yes, it is wonderful what we do, and what we have been doing for 50 years...
and remember::
Even then we will have ba-zillions of migrants and immigrants taking over vast portions of what we call 'urban sprall'.....and all of them are having 6-10 kids per....if you have an acre of dirt, guard it with your life.
I don't usually have a problem with ammonia. With the correct amounts of the ingredients my compost is very earthy and sweet. If the pile smells of ammonia it's a quick fix with adding some dry brown ingredients such as straw or dry leaves as using too much chicken manure will creates a too hot pile. And I wait until my pile is completely finished composting and cooled before I use it. A tell tale sign of a finished pile is an abundance of earthworms! Really good stuff!
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Yes, think of horse and chicken manure of plants on steriods. Cause after they get those natural nutrients you'll be amazed at the difference.
Yes, I agree. A huge difference. When we return to the soil what we take from it whether it be manure from animals consuming grains or leaves, grass clippings, garden debris etc it creates a healthy soil. When growing this way we are feeding the soil rather than feeding the plant with chemicals. When the soil is healthy there is an abundance of life in the soil that helps the plant ward off insects and diseases naturally. The resulting vegetables are also higher in nutrients. It's the circle of life. Sustainability is key.
One suggestion, If you are useing horse manure from horses consuming orchard or timothy seed or on pasture also consuming weed seeds it will save you some work on weeding if you heat compost. The heat will kill a lot of the weed and grass seeds saving you weeding in your garden later. I could go on and on but buy a good book on composting and if you heat compost get a good compost thermometer. It's not too difficult to get a hot pile with adding chicken manure but you need to mix it with other types of ingredients to get the right balance or as Chickylady mentioned your pile can get too hot. On the other hand 'sheet composting' which is adding layers to a garden bed, is a lot easier and it will most likely be ready be the time spring rolls around. Microbes in the soil will help the composting along. Just a lot more weeding!
Yes, think of horse and chicken manure of plants on steriods. Cause after they get those natural nutrients you'll be amazed at the difference.
Yes, I agree. A huge difference. When we return to the soil what we take from it whether it be manure from animals consuming grains or leaves, grass clippings, garden debris etc it creates a healthy soil. When growing this way we are feeding the soil rather than feeding the plant with chemicals. When the soil is healthy there is an abundance of life in the soil that helps the plant ward off insects and diseases naturally. The resulting vegetables are also higher in nutrients. It's the circle of life. Sustainability is key.
One suggestion, If you are useing horse manure from horses consuming orchard or timothy seed or on pasture also consuming weed seeds it will save you some work on weeding if you heat compost. The heat will kill a lot of the weed and grass seeds saving you weeding in your garden later. I could go on and on but buy a good book on composting and if you heat compost get a good compost thermometer. It's not too difficult to get a hot pile with adding chicken manure but you need to mix it with other types of ingredients to get the right balance or as Chickylady mentioned your pile can get too hot. On the other hand 'sheet composting' which is adding layers to a garden bed, is a lot easier and it will most likely be ready be the time spring rolls around. Microbes in the soil will help the composting along. Just a lot more weeding!
Ok guys! I've been officially talked into it! We are putting my 2 black runner ducks in the Puyallup Fair!
Keep your fingers crossed that they do well!
LOraine-I will keep you updated on how your babies do! If you come down this way for the fair let me know!!!
Keep your fingers crossed that they do well!
LOraine-I will keep you updated on how your babies do! If you come down this way for the fair let me know!!!
I talked to Becky yesterday and she was so touched by the offers of you people wanting to order feed from her to help her.
If she does get going again I would consider taking orders and bringing like 1-2 ton to a meeting point in the Seattle area.
on a different note if that Chebby acts like a dead battery then I am sticking with starter. If there is not even a click then yes I agree solenoid.
If she does get going again I would consider taking orders and bringing like 1-2 ton to a meeting point in the Seattle area.
on a different note if that Chebby acts like a dead battery then I am sticking with starter. If there is not even a click then yes I agree solenoid.
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