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engaging in respectful debate--even a heated one--is not now and never will be harassment--but it might feel like it to those who want to shut a conversation down. i think this is a great thread and the free and open exchange of ideas is another hallmark of a civil society. sometimes if one is getting too frustrated it is better to step back and take a breath rather than try to shut others down.
I am not frustrated in the least, and the above was just pointing out a comparison, you obviously think it was directed. But I do however think telling a person they are going to prison for a misdemeanor bordering on harassment. You should read the laws sometimes they are interesting and it is amazing what is actually against the law.
I love a healthy debate but there is a limit to what is debating and what is considered insulting to others. Discussing the laws and telling someone they are going to jail is two different things. IMO myself included we are completely ignoring the request for ideas, but instead debating what should and should not be. So far nobody here has suggested anything illegal except for maybe one SSS post. The OP clearly intends to get a permit. NOBODY has advocated shooting firearms into the air, yet that accusation has been made several times. It is not part of a healthy debate to make accusations that are not true.
I would suggest that if some find the topic of killing a raptor legally so upsets them that they take their own advice.
killing a raptor legally doen't concern me, to be honest. the attitude that we shouldn't HAVE to have a permit happens to one i disagree with because i actually do think the folks i know wildlife management, etc. are the most knowledgeable and competent on the issue. not everyone can be an expert on raptors--i know i'm not--but i'm glad there are folks that do study the issue, and create regulations regarding best practices. barring good empirical evidence that they are wrong, i'm going to support their decisions and want others to do so too. it's all about being a good citizen, to me.
i don't think i mentioned jail, but i could be wrong.
finally, i DEFINITELY think the OP has been given tons of responses...can't see at all how "we are completely ignoring the request for ideas". i don't want to quote in the multiple posts, but there are here.
i thought your discussion of how you keep predators at bay was a good example of how to work with one's situation wrt: predators.
engaging in respectful debate--even a heated one--is not now and never will be harassment--but it might feel like it to those who want to shut a conversation down. i think this is a great thread and the free and open exchange of ideas is another hallmark of a civil society. sometimes if one is getting too frustrated it is better to step back and take a breath rather than try to shut others down.
I am not frustrated in the least, and the above was just pointing out a comparison, you obviously think it was directed. But I do however think telling a person they are going to prison for a misdemeanor bordering on harassment. You should read the laws sometimes they are interesting and it is amazing what is actually against the law.
I love a healthy debate but there is a limit to what is debating and what is considered insulting to others. Discussing the laws and telling someone they are going to jail is two different things. IMO myself included we are completely ignoring the request for ideas, but instead debating what should and should not be. So far nobody here has suggested anything illegal except for maybe one SSS post. The OP clearly intends to get a permit. NOBODY has advocated shooting firearms into the air, yet that accusation has been made several times. It is not part of a healthy debate to make accusations that are not true.
I would suggest that if some find the topic of killing a raptor legally so upsets them that they take their own advice.
killing a raptor legally doen't concern me, to be honest. the attitude that we shouldn't HAVE to have a permit happens to one i disagree with because i actually do think the folks i know wildlife management, etc. are the most knowledgeable and competent on the issue. not everyone can be an expert on raptors--i know i'm not--but i'm glad there are folks that do study the issue, and create regulations regarding best practices. barring good empirical evidence that they are wrong, i'm going to support their decisions and want others to do so too. it's all about being a good citizen, to me.
i don't think i mentioned jail, but i could be wrong.
finally, i DEFINITELY think the OP has been given tons of responses...can't see at all how "we are completely ignoring the request for ideas". i don't want to quote in the multiple posts, but there are here.
i thought your discussion of how you keep predators at bay was a good example of how to work with one's situation wrt: predators.