What are the chances my duck egg is a moulard? And other eggy insanity...

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Hi everyone, I'm new here. To make a long (and slightly embarrassing) story short, I have this egg. It's a duck egg. Its name is Bobby. I never planned on getting ducks (but now we've got four ducklings arriving in the mail today from Metzer Farms)! But anyway, back to the egg. I brought it home on October 25th. I did not have an incubator, so after scouring the internet for "DIY egg incubator" info, I sort of made one with a cooler (and a lamp, a couple towels, and two mason jars full of water). I've been taking ridiculously good care of this egg, getting up 2-4 times every night to take its temp, turn and mist it, and talk to it and tell it I love it and to please hatch for the love of all things holy because my children will be so upset if it doesn't.

So. Now it's day 29 since bringing it home, but that's counting the day that I started incubating it, which was late in the afternoon, so isn't today technically day 28?

Well, I've been candling it. A lot. Probably more than most of you recommend. And he's still in there moving around. The air cell is not quite as big as I thought it would be...for example, it looks like day 24 in this candling picture. Which is super weird because here's the thing...for the first, um, three-ish weeks, I did not have any kind of cover on my plastic cooler incubator and no hygrometer (please don't judge, I was trying hard but learning from a variety of blogs--I didn't have my Storey's Guide to Raising Ducks at the time--I do now!), so although I was generally keeping eggshell temp between 97 and 101 (with a few lower dips and a few higher highs for a couple hours at a time), the humidity couldn't have been more than 50% or so (air conditioned house in NE Florida). So once I learned all about how gosh darn important consistent humidity is when incubating eggs, I took a piece of glass out of a long-ish picture frame and put it on top of the cooler (and vented two corners by turning the piece of glass at an angle--I am regularly shifting the glass to regulate the humidity and temp), and bought a little hygrometer from the pet store. So since Saturday, which was day 25 (but now I realize it might actually have been day 24 if I start counting the day AFTER I began incubating the egg), I put the egg on lockdown (no more turning, though I still mist regularly to regulate humidity) and humidity levels have been 70-80%.

Okay. That's a lot. And there's more. Thank you for reading this far. <3

So here we are. Day 29 or 28, and I (gently, without turning) candled as recently as 3:00 this morning. Bobby is still alive in there, but no shadowing that I can see, and no internal pipping. I have learned by this point that his hatch date may likely be delayed because temperature has not been constant throughout incubation, but shouldn't he have internally pipped by now? But if he hasn't internally pipped, there's nothing to be done anyway, right? I mean, I've watched videos and read threads about people who have helped call ducks internally pip, but uh, no way. In lots of those threads and videos, up to half the birds didn't make it! As a retired (human) midwife, I know how important it is to let him hatch by himself. I'm worried about shrink wrapping because of the inconsistent humidity levels, but...wouldn't that mean the air cell would be much bigger? WHY ISN'T HE HATCHING GAHHHHHHH!!

And here's the kicker. So Bobby the Egg came from a pond housing a flock of pekins (I counted one drake and four ducks) ANNNDDDDD one muscovy drake. The muscovy drake seems to have been transient, as he's no longer there. BUT. WHAT IS THE CHANCE THAT THIS EGG IS HALF MUSCOVY and could THAT be the reason his air cell isn't bigger and no internal pipping yet?? The pekins didn't seem to hang out with the muscovy drake...he was kind of doing his own thing on the other side of the pond. But he was there! And now he's gone! What if he went there just to breed and now my egg is half muscovy?!

I'm reaching here, aren't I. I'm super stressed out about this and am so TIRED of waking up so much during the night to do all the things that I could have avoided if I'd just a) left the egg on the sidewalk and b) ignored my husband and just bought that expensive-ass incubator at Tractor Supply.

Please someone tell me my egg might still hatch. <3
 
I wasn’t able to see if baby was in the air cell but the change in the egg where there is more showing at the top of the air cell tells me baby has turned into hatch position
Shadowing along the lower part and the air cell has dipped forward more
These are all exactly what we want to see
So far baby is on track
Now that baby has turned the best way to candle is keeping the egg in position
That air cell that’s dipped forward needs to face up
I will pick my egg up and hold it still just move my candler without turning the egg
This way we don’t cause baby to move back
I would say anytime in the next 1-2 days you will see internal pip
Sometimes you will catch breathing movements at the lower part of the air cell where the shadowing happens
It will be up / down movement instead of random flickering
Ducklings take a long time to hatch
After you see a beak in the air cell it’s up to 24 hours before you see external pip
After external it can be 24-48
More hours
Usually 8-12 hours after first hit you will see a second one then more waiting till they start to zip
Edited to add anytime the internal can happen but shouldn’t be longer then 48 hours from now.
I would check egg every 6-8 hours
There are videos on YouTube of internal pips that will help you to know what to look for as well
OMG OMG OMG @New duck mommy 2021 and anyone else who is following...I just went in there to make sure the dip in the air cell was facing up and HE HAS EXTERNALLY PIPPED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I WILL SHARE A PHOTO JUST A MINUTE!!!!!!!! 😍 😍 😍 😍 😍 20231123_084249.jpg
 
Hello everyone. I don't have good news, but I wanted to update this thread for those following. My sweet Bobby didn't make it. Before burying him this morning, I decided to open his egg and see what happened. The part of his body in his air cell (that I initially thought was his head) was actually the back of his neck where his head attached. His head and face were indeed still at the external pip site. It looked like he had a foot over his shoulder. I didn't see a lot of blood in the egg so I don't know what actually happened. I am sad because I saw a video of an assisted hatching where the baby duckling was malpositioned and the woman slowly and gently broke into the air cell and pulled just the head out, then wrapped the rest of the egg in damp paper towels, put the egg in a dixie cup, and put him back in the incubator to finish absorbing his yolk. Bobby had a BIG egg yolk, so I know he wasn't ready to hatch. I don't know if he suffocated or bled. I took a picture of him when I took him out of his shell this morning. He was so perfect and yellow, a pekin the color of sunshine and dandelions. The kids and I have been crying on and off all day. This has been rough! We buried him in the little box that our other ducklings arrived in the mail in. My older daughter carved his name in a piece of wood and my younger daughter scattered flowers all over his little gravesite. I wish I would have helped him, but I didn't really know how...and wasn't ready for that experience. Perhaps, if I ever hatch eggs again, I will know how to help if a similar situation ever occurs. This has been one heck of a learning experience. Grateful, sad, loving my ducklings, loving my kids. Life is precious!

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I hadn't heard the term moulard before and so I looked it up:

"The mulard (or moulard) is a hybrid between two different genera of domestic duck: the domestic Muscovy duck (Cairina moschata domestica) and the domestic duck (Anas platyrhynchos domesticus), derived from the wild mallard. American Pekins and other domestic ducks are most commonly used to breed mulards due to the breed's high meat production. Like many interspecific F1 hybrids, mulards are sterile, giving them the nickname mule ducks. While it is possible to produce mulards naturally, artificial insemination is used more often with greater success. [1]

The term mulard or moulard is generally reserved for offspring where the parental drake is a Muscovy and the duck is a Pekin. When the drake is a Pekin, the offspring tend to be smaller and are called hinnies."
 
Good morning
Lower temp especially the set up you had ( still air ) would need a temp of 101
Forced air ones are 99.5
This can cause delays by days to a week
To high of humidity can cause less loss in moisture , giving a smaller air cell
Lower humidity gives more loss and larger air cells

Saying that the few days before hatching you will notice egg rocking around , air cell dips forward really fast and baby will be shadowing ( pushing on air cell at the lower part of the air cells )
This is when I start lockdown ( I don’t go by day 25 ) I follow my eggs
If you candle the egg and video , then upload here I can help you figure out how close
As for possibility of Muscovy dad ( yes ) very possible
I had a mallard leave his lady a few house over and come mate one of my girls then fly away
I happened to catch him as it was happening
Boys don’t need to hang out with girls to take a quick mate 😆
 
THANK YOU SO MUCH! <3

So, do you recommend that I keep turning him until he rocks his egg and/or shadows?

When my husband gets home, I can use his phone to take a video (I don't have a camera on my phone) of the candling. I read somewhere that candling late into incubation can "scare" the duckling away from the membrane and cause it not to internally pip...I imagine that's not actually true?

Gosh, imagine if it's a muscovy/pekin cross. How crazy!

I will be back in a bit with video! Thank you again! :)
I honestly candle my eggs daily until I see internal pip
I have got 100 % hatch rates many times
My babies that needed assisting were smaller eggs and I learned only incubate 70 grams or higher and I stopped having issues
I also have schools incubate and they do daily candling so the kids can see them grow

Muscovy mix I think would become a mule duck
Meaning their fertility isn’t there but the duck itself is just fine
Mystery baby will be exciting to see :)
 
Hi @New duck mommy 2021 , I just uploaded a video of the candling. I can get another one if it's not clear. He wasn't moving around much this time, but I did see him move a bit. Thank you again for all your help!
Is that your 4 ducklings from Metzer Farms I can hear in the background? What sort of ducklings are they? I love your story!

Good luck with Bobby. Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours.
 
Is that your 4 ducklings from Metzer Farms I can hear in the background? What sort of ducklings are they? I love your story!

Good luck with Bobby. Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours.
Hi Ruth! Yes, those are our new ducklings! The post office called 10 minutes to 9:00 this morning and we picked them up immediately! They are the sweetest little things. We have one jumbo pekin (my husband named her Mae), one blue Swedish (my son named her Dashi {his favorite character in his favorite show called Octonauts}), one magpie (daughter named her Basil), and one buff Orpington (oldest daughter named her Fern). They arrived happy and cheeping and ready for water and food! They are happily settled in their brooder now and napping under their Brinsea EcoGlo thingie. :love
 

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