What do you guys think of these colts? Pics on page 3,6,7,8 & 12

[arabianequine]

I think he looks really nice and a lot better cared for. Hes hooves don't look that bad to me just a bit long.

 

[NellaBean]

Wow, I like him a lot better too. Once his hooves are trimmed it should change the angle of his leg as well. Just a bit.....that may help. But he definitely looks a lot better than the other prospects.

 

[danischi24]

His temperament is nice, a little pushy but gets the hint when you flick the rope his way. He is a bit balky & I'll need to ride with a whip to settle our disagreements because I tried several other methods yesterday & landed up hitting the deck (my fault, was riding bareback & couldn't handle the blowup that ensued). Soundness wise, he clips his front soles with his back hooves sometimes but this may have something to do with the length of his feet. I know he is 10 weeks after shoeing because I saw the date in the stable diary. Also, after our first ride, his back was very sore for a few hours but I think I just pushed him a little hard with the trotting & bending in the roundpen.
I still like the pinto though. He is in bad condition but a month of good food & care & he will look just as good as the quarter horse plus he is flashy & I like his attitude & light build. But someone is lying about the horses age-I'm sure he is 3 or more likely, 4. Also, that curb or whatever it is bothers me for future soundness. I also like that he hasn't been worked. The quarter horse has just been broken in & I'm already fighting through someone else's training mistakes. The pinto will be a clean slate. If I get the quarter horse, I might start reining once he is mature because he was bred for it & it's something I've never done.
I've been trying all week to make up my mind & I swing 100% from one to the other every few hours.

 

[WIChookchick]

I hate his neck!!!
I truly hope the current owner has no plans to breed him..
I have a friend who has horses from reining lines and cutting lines.
here is a filly of hers, coming 3 yr old...
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?a...0461&set=a.10150255342625461.493785.514170460

And another of the same filly
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?a...5461&set=a.10150255342625461.493785.514170460

Her riding mare Sugar,
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?a...0461&set=a.10150286303430461.562526.514170460


And a 2 yr old stud colt she had, also from serious reining/cutting lines
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150288517735461&set=a.10150286303430461.562526.514170460

These horses are put together way better.. just because it says.. AQHA.. I seriously thought that colt was a paso or welsh cross....IF that is a "NICE" QH .. I hate to see what their non nice conformed ones are...

I think if you want a nice horse to ride and hack out on.. you will have a bumpy, stiff ride with this horse....
His conformation does NOT appeal to me.. but if you want a QH.... and this is the horse offered....I would ask to see the other colt ... the one you didn't like.. He might be better!!!

Carol

 

[WIChookchick]

PS
I like pinto arabians...
I board with aLOT of them

 

[danischi24]

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I don't particularly like his neck either though the horses you showed have their faults too. They have some top quality horses here, this isn't their best, obviously. The other one is a red dun with a beautiful head & neck but very bad legs & I didn't like the ride he gave me. This colt is not bumpy or stiff to ride at all. I don't necessarily want a QH. I wanted the pinto on page 8 but I'm wondering if I'm just being stubborn & passing over a much better horse (the bay) & if I get the pinto, it will go lame on me & serve me right.

 

[patandchickens]

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Oh. Bummer. That kind of changes things.

He may well be forging just because his feet are so long; but you'd want to see how he goes properly-trimmed to be sure.

Balky when riding and sore afterwards is a big concern though. If he were ok (riding and afterwards) with a saddle, when you re-try him some other time, it might be no big deal... but otherwise I would be more leery and want either to see more of how he does under correct work before buying, or have a good lameness vet (not just joe vet, not just good vet for some things but not for seeing lameness) give him a going-over, or take a pass on him.

I was wondering why his price was so similar to the pinto's, and that may be why. Ah well.

(e.t.a I don't much care for his neck either but it will not be a problem for recreational riding. I would not count on doing much reining on those straight and slightly-suspicious-looking hindlegs)

Pat

 

[welsummerchicks]

I don't really think I can respond to this delightful new information in a way that goes along with my conscience and values, without getting banned, but......

It's flat out cruelty to ride a just broke horse til it's sore, and fighting with the horse and using a whip to get him to do anything doesn't sound like a match made in heaven. It doesn't really sound like you're ready for a youngster yet.

Horses are not automated sports equipment or disposable conveyances without feelings. People owe them some respect and making the effort to learn how to train them properly and how to work with them in an ethical, humane manner.

 

[danischi24]

I rode him for 15 or 20 minutes at the walk & trot (mainly walk) to try him out in preparation to buying him. He was not sweating after. I do not find this cruel. I think the bend & flex work I did with him made him sore because it caused him to use his back for the first time in his life. The heavy western saddle might have also contributed-not sure how good a fit it was. It was what was provided.
He was balky the time I rode him bareback & he wasn't sore after. It was a sourness to walk away from some horses by the fenceline (backing, bucking, rearing) & then a rear, bolt, buck when he saw a girl sitting on a chair holding her horse. He will need some firmness to fix these problems but I sorted him out even bareback & he was good at the end.
He is not for sale cheap because of all these things. His market price is just over double what they are offering but they have 15 horses & only 5 are in use so the feed bills are adding up & they need to sell the youngsters. First they offered me a lease so that I would pay for the food etc. Then when I declined, they offered me the other one for a discount rate because I would be stabling it there. Then when I decided I didn't like him, they asked me to ride this bay & offered a half share of him for the price of the pinto. I still wasn't interested cause I don't want half a horse, a leased horse or an expensive horse. Then last night, just before I was going to draw the money for the pinto, he called & said that he had just had a meeting & funds were really tight so he had to get rid of some horses quickly & he would give me the bay for just a bit more than I was getting the pinto for. Now I have a dilemma.

 

[WIChookchick]

I see other problems...
If he had just been started.. apparently they have not worked on sacking him out (desensitizing) or working on him being buddy/herd sour.. THis could prove a problem if you want to go riding, any where.
It would not take long to get the Pinto started and going the right direction. Also it wouldn't hurt money wise to have a good vet look at him in a pre-purchase exam, either horse.
For the cost of a good pre purch, you could save yourself ALOT of money.

Something occured to me, if he was sore at his age from bending and flexing.. after only 20 mins... HE must feel the need to stand there very defensively, waiting for something to happen...
Something not good, if his muscles are that tight, he is just waiting to do something, explode, or anticipating something...
IS there a chance you can watch them starting a horse to train it to saddle? Are they rodeoing it??.. just wondering...