When your chickens get old and die...

To clarify about the young cockerels I process for dog food, feathers are not included. My policy is to allow the baby roos to grow out at least a few weeks, just because I feel they have a right to something of a life. Also, when it isn't sex links, or autosexing breeds, I want to be very sure that I am culling a male. I pluck, or sometimes skin the birds as usual; it is very easy to do because the feathers slide out more readily than they do on an adult chicken. I then pressure CAN them, usually raw pack. They are processed like any other meat, 75 minutes for pints or 90 minutes for quarts after reaching pressure. At my altitude, I must use 15 lb pressure setting and it generally reaches that at 13.5 lbs pressure. At sea level, you can use a 10lb gauge, just like any other food you might pressure can. What I have then are shelf stable jars of chicken ready to go. I used to run the meat/bones through my VitaMix, but have learned that is not really necessary; they just mash very easily. It is not a good idea to pressure can starchy foods, it can be done, and I have experimented with it, but expect a lot of seal failures if you do. When I have leftover rice or stale bread, I stir it in to the mix when I open the jar of meat to prepare the final product. I believe what we get when we use the cooked whole bird is similar to the biological appropriate raw food (BARF) system, it's just not raw. It has worked very well for me for about 4 years now; the dogs are in good health, and I do not need to worry about what may be in the pet food. Sometimes, I add vitamins to my dogs' routine, but that's hit and miss and I never notice any difference.

About the slaughter truck, you just make an appointment and they come out with the refrigerated truck. The animal that is selected is brought down very quickly by a shotgun. The guy that does ours is so good it takes just one shot and the animal never knows that anything's coming. We use a family meat locker business out of Barstow who have been doing this for years. They cater to small holders like ourselves and the hunting trade. I am pretty sure there are services like this elsewhere, but a rancher with a lot of animals would be better off shipping them to slaughter. Anyway, the process is interesting. After the kill, the carcass is drawn up via a truck mounted crane, then eviscerated. The usable parts, liver, kidney, etc. are placed in plastic bags and left for us to deal with and the offal remains on the ground along with the blood that has drained and we bury that. I have a neighbor who will cook and eat ANYTHING, and he takes some pretty surprising parts home to cook and is the only person I know of who will prepare beef pizzle. There is not much waste to this process either. After that's all done, they take the steer back to their locker and process and package it to order. We can have them deliver it back, but we usually go get it.

We are fortunate to be able to feed our calves relatively inexpensively because we sweep up all the fallen hay from the bales at the store as we load them. They calves get to eat horse quality hay which is much nicer than what is generally fed to cattle. We almost never have to break out a bale for them; there is enough waste hay. We do supplement with Beef Builder or something similar, and they get about 15lbs a day of fruits and vegetables from the local fruit market in exchange for fresh eggs that we provide to that family. Here is something interesting about cattle that I did not know until we started this project: they choke easily! Their teeth are very small, and they do not have an agile mouth like a horse. I chop all their fresh food leaving nothing bigger than a walnut. They eat all kinds of waste food and thrive on it: pomegranate, citrus, pineapple, rinds and all- the only fruits or veges they can't have are avocado pits and skin, bad for them as it is for chickens. If we just had to feed our cattle purchased hay all year, this would never "pencil out," but we still might have done it for the fun. We are in the high desert, so grass is very sparse. Hogs are less fun, and never have been as economical, I hope not to do those again. We do all this in partnership with neighbors who wish to be included.
 
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I am still experimenting with the time, but somewhere around an hour under pressure will get them to break down, also, if the bones are already smaller it helps, I use a small pair of pruning shears to cut the bones into a few pieces before tossing them in the pot, I figure the hot water can break them down from the inside as well that way.

I do the leg quarters for price, also, apparently, the bone to meat ratio is just about right (according to internet reading). I don't add any supliments, I get a pack or 2 of gizzards when they are on special and let them have those whole, Jabba doesn't have a problem with those in large quantities, if I am doing a ground batch I will get a thing of livers as well and mix the livers and blood into the ground mush. I have given them a total of 4 whole chickens, (each around 5 pounds) due to the whole ones being on special (nearly leg quarter prices) and their being a shortage of leg quarters. I also mix in the occasional can of tuna or egg, I had a hardboiled egg that just didn't seem right, but wasn't obviously rotten, so I threw it to the cats, it was gone when I got home from work...

Actually, cats and dogs are resistant to most types of salmonilla, at least when eating it. I know that when I had indoor/outdoor cats that they would bring in all sorts of creatures and procede to eat them in the living room... They rarely got sick and then it was just that they would throw up what they were eating and be fine...

As for the vet work, no, I haven't had anything special done to check them out, but, the kittens have been on raw since they were about 10 weeks old (when Jabba started reacting to cat food) and they are now over a year, they appear healthy, not a sniffle or sneeze. Out of the litter of 3, 2 are 10 pounds and the runt is 7 pounds, their mother was 6 pounds soaking wet... We have another young male, slightly older, from a different feral female, he is 9 pounds. They are all solid, not overweight, I would say they are about the perfect weight, and I have NEVER seen cats just glow like these do. One is a grey tabby, and the black stripe down his back has metalic blue and green sheen like a rooster...

I know they aren't very old, but since the majority of their growth and lives at this point has been eating raw, I would be willing to bet that they will be fine on it long term.

Some interesting facts, I have 5 cats downstairs, they have a 5 gallon water despensor, when they were eating cat kibble, I was refilling it 1-2 times a week, now i fill it halfway every month or so. Also, the feces has little to no smell and is white...

As for cost, I have 5 cats (2 x 10 lbs, 1 x 9lbs, 2 x 7 lbs) and a small dog (1 x 13 lbs) that all eat raw. I go through a bag (10 lbs) of chicken in 3-5 days depending on the size of the quarters (as I don't weigh, just give them 1/3 of a quarter each, it evens out in the end) and I can buy a bag for $7.50 or so normal price, or about $4.50 on special.

All of that said, we have kind of strayed from the topic of the thread, so, I would love to continue this conversation if you would like to, but we should probably take it to PM's.
 
Pressure cooking it is, since my 3 yrs old hens will be tough no spring chickens. I still need to gather all that strength to butcher my very first batch of layers.
 
Pressure cooking it is, since my 3 yrs old hens will be tough no spring chickens. I still need to gather all that strength to butcher my very first batch of layers.
Talking openly about it with my family helped a lot to prepare our hearts. Once you get the courage to do the deed... you still have to have the courage to chew the meat.
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I am so super tender hearted I am surprised we are successful at that part. But I am honored to know where our food comes from and to know how it's treated right up until it's last breath... and beyond for that matter. No river of bloody chlorine chicken parts for us.
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I think my hubby has the hardest time and tried to do the initial cull, but has since said "don't you think we can donate our extra cockerels". He would probably flip his lid if we tried to process a hen.

My 17 year old daughter I was most worried about was the first one to try. And she did very well but wanted me to cut the jugular next time. It was a learning process. And I promise it is nothing like you see in the movies where they grab from behind and barely make a scratch proceeded by arterial spurting (on humans). The chicken skin was much thicker and harder to cut through. With that method.... took too much trying (sawing motion). I knew my knife was sharp, so it was about technique. And I was worried about cutting myself or the plastic bag I was draining into. But through BYC support, had a new thought. Like if I was cutting a steak off of a roast. So I visually practiced that in the air like it was on a cutting board. And then I do the same thing as I approach the chicken.... get the vision of the motion in my head, and then follow through only kinda sidways. Face the chicken, in cone, towards me and held the back of neck/head firmly. Started with the front point of the knife similar to how I would pierce the skin of a tomato and kept a firm plunging pressure on the blade all the way forward and if for some reason didn't quite get what I thought was enough blood draining... continued the pressure while pulling back towards me. Since it was a firm smooth action it was not like sawing at all. With more practice I rarely need the return cutting pressure. Now my daughter finishes with the gutting and cleaning. It isn't something any of us enjoy. Takes usually less than 5 minutes to be completely bled out. Takes my daughter about 1 hour each bird to skin and clean. Used to be two hours each. The BYCer video we are using takes only 10 minutes. But that will come with skill and confidence. Note, we let our carcass rest past rigor before freezing or preparing.

And there is no shame in letting your birds feed some else's family if you don't have the will to do it yourself!
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I used to hunt as a child but killing a chicken i raise is way different... I do not like how commercial chickens are raised and figure mine have a good life... I try not to name them LOL
I put them in a cone and use a long handle game shear (and close my eyes) .. It's like branch loppers, just seems to be sharper and since it's only used for processing it stays sharp.
I also have a razor knife and when it gets dull I just change the blade. I can process about 5 chickens per blade.
Never easy to take a life, and I don't think it should be.
 
We were told not to name ours as it causes issues for people. So the ones I can tell right away aren't staying for breeding or laying don't usually get names. But most all of my birds do have names. And some of them of course were supposed to be pullets but weren't.

Naming doesn't seem to be huge factor for us. And I agree taking life should never be easy and for some people if it has a name will be much harder.

Most of my animals earn their names... meaning it's usually related to how they act or one of their characteristics. I will probably sell off my girls before their time is up so we don't have to face that day for them.... But hard to say since we aren't there yet. Or on the other hand, the ones my daughter is attached to may stay for retirement unless disease becomes a factor. Or I may ask her to let them go feed another persons family. The dynamics never stop changing for us... so we will adjust as needed.

And that's one reason I love BYC! So many people get to share what does or doesn't work for them... and I get to consider things that may have never crossed my mind!
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BTW.... My cone is homemade from a vinegar 1.25 gallon bottle instead of $30+ for a good one... On page 3 of this thread is also a very good video how to skin... Not gross or corny, but informational from a trusted BYC member....

https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/158398/homemade-killing-cone

I am a super over thinker and spun this in my head for months before proceeding. And it was not nearly as horrific as the scenes my mind played out. It's good to be among BYC friends who actually have had the same hard time and aren't here to poke or prod but rather support.
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the hardest for me were the cx I raised in the brooder.. I got them because people said they were nasty and you would be ready to process them.. welllll i read about restricting their feed.. mine were in great shape at 12 lbs... they were the sweetest birds, pulling on my pant leg, even when they were full, wanting attention
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... so hard to pick them up and process
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I kept the smallest hen and she layed every 3 days for a few months last fall... I have four (of 7 eggs) 14 wk old.. of course only 1 is a pullet .. hopefully the cx hen will start laying again soon.. and her daughter.
 
Theres a youtube video on how to humanely harvest chickens. She wraps the animal in cloth, holds it with its head down, and calms it by stroking its neck. Then she cuts the jugular and waits for the bird to finish shuddering. I had to do this to my barred rock who got egg yolk peritonitis. I hoped being held was more comfortable for her than being in a cone.
 

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