Who made the law to require vet prescriptions for anti biotics 😡

[Pollo Blanco]

1.6 million people died from TB in 2021.
I imagine you are lucky enough not to encounter the disease. That doesn’t mean it doesn’t kill people.

Please read the link above on Terrain Theory, thank you very much!

Oh btw, did you read that article from 2005 on the MRSA hoax?

 

[JackVinehopper]

You are WAY late to this party.

Its not a Law, its not done by Executive Order. The FDA is doing it "for our own good", encouraging manufacturers to "voluntarily" take Rx off of animal shelves. Its issued through the FDA's rulemaking authority and is part of their 5 year plan. The notice and comment period is long past, the final rule issued. This started long ago. The manufacturers are complying rather than risking the FDA's ire.

If this is true then the FDA illegally created a new law, something only Congress is allowed to do. They are a regulatory agency to execute laws passed by Congress, not their own whims. But we all know there are no rules anymore under our proto-Soviet America.

 

[RoyalChick]

Please read the link above on Terrain Theory, thank you very much!

Oh btw, did you read that article from 2005 on the MRSA hoax?

I read both and I failed to see what you found so revelatory about either of them.
What is now called terrain theory dates from the 19th century and a French chemist who was a rival of Pasteur’s.
To set up Terrain theory as defeating germ theory is simply reliving the argument of two old guys 160 odd years ago.
Both have validity in the explanation of disease and wellness.
And the Guardian piece on a fraudulent lab says nothing except there was a lab in the UK that was taking advantage of a real thing by giving false results. It happens. It also says nothing about the actual prevalence of MRSA so I don’t see how it contributes to the debate.

 

[Pollo Blanco]

I read both and I failed to see what you found so revelatory about either of them.

Most people treat their bodies like a rental car, expecting the doctor to be able to fix the broken parts with a magic pill, or just chop off the diseased flesh and organs and replace those with a pill.
"The man is not sick because he has an illness, he has an illness because he is sick"
Chinese Proverb

 

[Yze]

Yes, MRSA was the rage back in 2005, and it turned out to be a hoax.

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2005/oct/29/badscience.uknews

Haven't heard of any TB outbreaks lately, have you?

That MRSA hoax article is talking about a scheme for "journalists" who wanted to write gotcha articles against hospitals. It's not saying MRSA is a hoax. My mother got it in the hospital and my friend very nearly died from it post open heart surgery in 2013.

One example about TB: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...outbreak-washington-united-states/9598604002/

 

[Pollo Blanco]

That MRSA hoax article is talking about a scheme for "journalists" who wanted to write gotcha articles against hospitals. It's not saying MRSA is a hoax.

Bird Flu, Swine Flu, Ebola, Nile Virus, et al.
Media needs some big plague every year.
"If it bleeds, it leads"

 

[Pollo Blanco]

It also says nothing about the actual prevalence of MRSA so I don’t see how it contributes to the debate.

Right, nearly a decade old and it hasn't wiped mankind from the face of the planet.
NEXT!

 

[Yze]

Bird Flu, Swine Flu, Ebola, Nile Virus, et al.
Media needs some big plague every year.
"If it bleeds, it leads"

The media does blow up stuff, I grant you that. However, just because the media plays things for their own $$$ profit, doesn't mean the diseases don't exist at all.

 

[U_Stormcrow]

If this is true then the FDA illegally created a new law, something only Congress is allowed to do. They are a regulatory agency to execute laws passed by Congress, not their own whims. But we all know there are no rules anymore under our proto-Soviet America.

Um. No.

You seem to have completely misread everything I wrote. Which is NOT to say I agree with the FDAs actions here, but I did at least attempt to accurately characterize them.

and the problem isn't over use of antibiotics, its UNDER use. Stupid humans discontinuing prescribed antibiotics because they "feel better" before the infectious agent has been decimated to insignificant populations. Short dosing antibiotics merely selects for critters that can tolerate those antibiotics, the same way adding AVC to your chicken's water simply selects for bacteria prefering a more acidic environment, or chlorifying water supplies selects for things that can tolerate a few PPM of chlorine.

Now, did the same stupid humans need antibiotics in the first place??? In many cases, not - taking antibiotics for a virus, as example, is ineffective. Yet we do it all the time, because our healthcare system is set up to treat the symptoms, rather than determine the cause. and because stupid humans rarely care about the cause, they just want to feel better.

Is there much risk of antibiotic resistant bugs in livestock being tranmsitted to humans?? No, wide scale antibiotic use on livestock is expensive, not particularly effective, and in some cases prohibitted by law. The FDA seems to be busy publicly "doing something", which will have almost no effect whatsoever Nationally, however much it impacts some of us - but the FDA has history of going after backyard pets while some worker that didn't wash their hands contributes to intestinal infortitude and the occaisional hospitalization in people eating lettuce, tomatoes, and other fresh veggies.

and Pollo? Stpid humans have been trying to wipe one another from the face of the earth for essentially all of recorded history (check out the Stelae of the Vultures as an early example). As a species, we are VERY good at failure. We've been at it a lot longer than MRSA has. or any number of other diseases of recent media moments. We are however, making it easier for global pandemics to occur, as it becomes increasingly easy to travel from place to place.

The world is a dangerous place. But its the only game in town. May as well pull up a chair and play the hand you are dealt.

 

[Ponyiqandhens2]

Antibiotic resistance is a real thing, not good at all, and as mentioned, it's been seen for many years. Fine to gripe now, but here we are, where many bacteria are resistant to most antibiotics, thanks to decades of overuse.
Mary

Absolutely,we are treating foals right now for an antibiotic resistant strain of rhoddacocchus,which is devestating farms in ky and several other states..it means treating foals with multiple last line antibiotics and hoping you kill the organism before you kill the foal...rifamin and clarythromycin are toxic, but the organism no longer responds to any other antibiotics..

MOst ccattle ranchers have a working relationship with a vet,as pain meds, oxytocin etc all have long required a prescription..the fda guidance/law does not require the vet to see the animal,it requires you have a yearly working relationship..if they have horses,they gwt Coggins test,law both federal and state to cross state lines...can only be done by vet..a vet has to inspect and test herds for things like brucellosis if sellibg/transporting..

I dont run my horses to the vet or have the vet out for every little thing but shes out at minimum once a year for testing ...i call or text with vitals/symptoms eyc she calls in a script or i pick meds up fromher office no office visit, no other fees just pay for the meds...i have a slew of horse meds legally prescribed by my horse vet for general use under specific listed conditions