Kitt, you just made my day when I read your post. That was very wise. I appreciate it. Thank you!
Why do people post things,
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I think sometimes replies are just made to goad people - some people enjoy seeing someone get upset. Once they know that someone believes a certain thing, they just go for the throat, and then sit back and chuckle, 'oh that was fun, I really made that person upset'.
But other times, I think an upset, angry response needs to be really thought about carefully and taken way beyond 'well just don't reply then' or the like. Perhaps there is a REASON a person gets upset, and not just a difference of opinion, but something much, much more important than that.
Many such conflicts here, arise out of religious or political discussions.
This board tends to be rather bad about tolerating or even simply allowing room for - other religious or political points of view - especially Christians here, are given far, far too much latitude in running down other religions and other countries, and they support each other. That's bad here. Fairly bad, I'd say. Well, the worst I'v ever seen anywhere, to be honest.
So people really should very often stop and think, that maybe they are taking advantage of their position in a majority belief to say hurtful things to someone who simply doesn't happen to be holding the majority opinion. OR that they are simply and completely, insulting and attacking ANYONE who doesn't see things the way they do.
As a result, almost every thread about religious or political opinion winds up eventually getting shut down here. That really is rather bad here.
MAYBE, just MAYBE, your source of information really isn't all there is. MAYBE, you could go onto a given website or book and find every single one of your arguments answered and completely refuted. What we believe tends to rest an awful lot on - what we WANT to believe. MAYBE there is room for different beliefs and opinions. MAYBE people who disagree should be respected and listened to. There are other legitimate ways of looking at issues than ones own way.
People simply do not seem to be able to sit down together here, and discuss - well, a very wide ranging list of topics, without getting REALLY angry or nasty. VERY wide ranging list of subjects.
I really believe that rather than just 'don't reply', a great many people here really do need to learn to accept and respect other beliefs and other opinions. Actively, consciously, in a planned and conscious fashion, learn to accept other beliefs and other opinions.
Additionally, if someone ISN'T in favor of what you are planning to do with your animals, it may not be that they just are trying to be a Johnny Raincloud or 'trying to be mean or a snob' as is so often accused here. What you're planning to do really - may really be a bad idea. People don't always speak up and disagree just for the fun of it. They're taking a LOT of risk here - to go against the majority opinion. It really may be worth listening to.
But other times, I think an upset, angry response needs to be really thought about carefully and taken way beyond 'well just don't reply then' or the like. Perhaps there is a REASON a person gets upset, and not just a difference of opinion, but something much, much more important than that.
Many such conflicts here, arise out of religious or political discussions.
This board tends to be rather bad about tolerating or even simply allowing room for - other religious or political points of view - especially Christians here, are given far, far too much latitude in running down other religions and other countries, and they support each other. That's bad here. Fairly bad, I'd say. Well, the worst I'v ever seen anywhere, to be honest.
So people really should very often stop and think, that maybe they are taking advantage of their position in a majority belief to say hurtful things to someone who simply doesn't happen to be holding the majority opinion. OR that they are simply and completely, insulting and attacking ANYONE who doesn't see things the way they do.
As a result, almost every thread about religious or political opinion winds up eventually getting shut down here. That really is rather bad here.
MAYBE, just MAYBE, your source of information really isn't all there is. MAYBE, you could go onto a given website or book and find every single one of your arguments answered and completely refuted. What we believe tends to rest an awful lot on - what we WANT to believe. MAYBE there is room for different beliefs and opinions. MAYBE people who disagree should be respected and listened to. There are other legitimate ways of looking at issues than ones own way.
People simply do not seem to be able to sit down together here, and discuss - well, a very wide ranging list of topics, without getting REALLY angry or nasty. VERY wide ranging list of subjects.
I really believe that rather than just 'don't reply', a great many people here really do need to learn to accept and respect other beliefs and other opinions. Actively, consciously, in a planned and conscious fashion, learn to accept other beliefs and other opinions.
Additionally, if someone ISN'T in favor of what you are planning to do with your animals, it may not be that they just are trying to be a Johnny Raincloud or 'trying to be mean or a snob' as is so often accused here. What you're planning to do really - may really be a bad idea. People don't always speak up and disagree just for the fun of it. They're taking a LOT of risk here - to go against the majority opinion. It really may be worth listening to.
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I think people are two faced about alot of things on this site, they claim to be diverse but yet get offended by a few simple disagreeable words.
Today I asked a member about selling a rifle and was PM a nasty response stating that I was not worth doing business with because of some comments I have made of my opinions and beliefs, so much for compassion and diversity.
People give opinions based on their beliefs and the environment that they are raised in as it influences their thinking. Being respectful and disagreeing with someone does not always make one a bad person, I prefer someone that will speak their mind and be blunt and stand up for what they believe in regardless of what it is. But posting advice and describing ones self as one thing and then secretly being rude and intolerant is cowardly regardless who you are. This is my opinion and not to be taken personally by anyone but in response to the OP question.
Today I asked a member about selling a rifle and was PM a nasty response stating that I was not worth doing business with because of some comments I have made of my opinions and beliefs, so much for compassion and diversity.
People give opinions based on their beliefs and the environment that they are raised in as it influences their thinking. Being respectful and disagreeing with someone does not always make one a bad person, I prefer someone that will speak their mind and be blunt and stand up for what they believe in regardless of what it is. But posting advice and describing ones self as one thing and then secretly being rude and intolerant is cowardly regardless who you are. This is my opinion and not to be taken personally by anyone but in response to the OP question.
Well, I guess I'll stick my neck out here and say a couple of things.
It is true some posters ask for advice, but actually want their viewpoint verified, and will resist any others. I don't think there is much to be done in this situation but hit the back button.
Even if they really want advice, it's human nature to feel a little defensive when it's offered. Often it's easier to take when we say, "I would" or "I have read here" instead of "you should." It's not advice that way, it's the way I or others do things.
A lot of times members get the impression we are allowing only certain points of view, when the fact is, were are allowing points of view which are stated in a civil manner, and removing or dealing with ones that are rude, meant to goad, or other forms of trolling or flaming.
It's not what you say, it's how you say it, a lot of the time.
It is true some posters ask for advice, but actually want their viewpoint verified, and will resist any others. I don't think there is much to be done in this situation but hit the back button.
Even if they really want advice, it's human nature to feel a little defensive when it's offered. Often it's easier to take when we say, "I would" or "I have read here" instead of "you should." It's not advice that way, it's the way I or others do things.
A lot of times members get the impression we are allowing only certain points of view, when the fact is, were are allowing points of view which are stated in a civil manner, and removing or dealing with ones that are rude, meant to goad, or other forms of trolling or flaming.
It's not what you say, it's how you say it, a lot of the time.
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I wish I could say more. I REALLY wish I could say more.
I agree that... while some may actually be bothered just by a different opinion.. most of the time the problem is that people could make suggestions with more delicacy.
Words that may sound like accusing someone of wrongdoing for what they are currently doing, would likely cause upset no matter what the original purpose in the post was.
Like most here, I've been on both side of the fence, and didn't like either one overmuch.
As they say... we never stop learning... and diplomacy is one thing that requires an awful lot of practice. So at least we are practicing somewhere besides the roadways, right?
Words that may sound like accusing someone of wrongdoing for what they are currently doing, would likely cause upset no matter what the original purpose in the post was.
Like most here, I've been on both side of the fence, and didn't like either one overmuch.
As they say... we never stop learning... and diplomacy is one thing that requires an awful lot of practice. So at least we are practicing somewhere besides the roadways, right?
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I am not into the whole two faced thing either. I disagree with almost everything you say.......well most of it...... the majority ..... a good amout ..... some .....a bit ...... well lately we have been in agreement alot but I'm sure we will get back on track soon.
Kitt,
Chickened and I are a good example of people who (usually) disagree fiercely on most subjects. We do not treat each other disrespectfully as I am sure is true with many here. Don't let nasty people get to you. If they can't play nice ...... just ignore them.
Chickened,
That was a nasty PM you received.
I'm sorry you had to deal with that. Can we start arguing again now?
I am not into the whole two faced thing either. I disagree with almost everything you say.......well most of it...... the majority ..... a good amout ..... some .....a bit ...... well lately we have been in agreement alot but I'm sure we will get back on track soon.
Kitt,
Chickened and I are a good example of people who (usually) disagree fiercely on most subjects. We do not treat each other disrespectfully as I am sure is true with many here. Don't let nasty people get to you. If they can't play nice ...... just ignore them.
Chickened,
That was a nasty PM you received.
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Agreed. Or when people post for advice and then get upset because the answer to their problem (chicken related) is not something they want to do.
Agreed. Or when people post for advice and then get upset because the answer to their problem (chicken related) is not something they want to do.
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Well said!
Well said!
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