Wolves On My Property!

[herfrds]

Carilynn that was too funny.

Educate myself. Who do you think you are talking to?

1996 2 week old steer calf hamstrung, disemboweled and particially eaten while alive.
Federal trapper came out. Yes it was a WOLF KILL!
How do we know? The tests proved it, but since the re-introduction was going on they could not announce it.
Also at the time I had a coyote/dog hating horse that would chase and try to stomp in to the dirt any canine she could get near.
that horse was scared. I've never seen her scared before.
Found a partcial print in the mud. The heel pad measuered just over 3". Not a coyote.

2001 3 month old steer calf found killed and eaten the same way after a rain. No prints found, but due to the terror in our herd no questions needed.

September 2010, this last Saturday.
son came running into the house. saw wolves in our winter pasture heading towards the summer pasture.
Yes he knows the difference between a wolf and a coyote. We have seen them before.
One pair was about 100 feet from our neighbors house. They didn't run like a coyote, act like a coyote and I have YET to see a coyote that is completely black.

1998 2 black wolves seen in our winter pasture attacking a coyote. Tracks in the snow measured over 6 feet apart. From where the first set ended and the second set began of one animal.

2000 Black wolf came running out of a coulee right next to our pickup in our winter pasture saw us and dove back into the coulee.

2004 2 calves did not make it back from the pasture. Never found them and no idea what happened, just suspion.

2008 Driving home saw a black wolf near another neighbors property. His cows were stirred up.

2009 DS saw 2 wolves 1/4 of a mile east of our house.


Law states that any person catching a wolf harrassing or attacking their livestock may shoot them. Any person with a confirmed wolf kill of their livestock will be issued a permit to shoot that wolf.
Must be reported, but since I have not found the kill site yet no proof, just a couple of piles of overly large canine scat. Biggest pile of crap I've seen.

Oh the pack of coyotes around are are numbered at 4. Not enough to take on a 400+ pound steer and around 50+ head of ticked cows. How do I know? I counted them.

 

[Barred Rocks forever]

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agreed

 

[Urbanfarmerkc]

I still stick with the LGD or in the case of wolves 2 or 3 LGDs. Wolves are dangerous to humans and there is no way around it. Just read a little history and you will know they preyed on humans just like anything else. We are meaner than they are so wolves are smart enough to avoid us or at least some are.

I apologize to the OP as this isn't what you asked for but since others have brought it up, my dad complains over and over about the "reintroduction of deer" to his part of the world. He would argue that before the deer came back, there was NO lime disease in Tennessee when he grew up. With any reintroduction, we will have problems but the question is whether we have or had the right to remove the animals in the first place. I don't know but now that we've started "reintroducing" animals, we need to go all the way. Circle of life stuff. Deer, elk, antelope need predators or they spread all kinds of disease (mad cow, lime disease, etc) as well as over crowding issues with farm, park and private land. If they are going to be here, predators MUST be here too. Nature seems to need balance to operate properly. So, in defense of the wolf, bear etc maybe their presence is what we need for a better natural environment.

Dave

 

[gogoalie]

I'll certainly agree that wolves are dangerous & the recent death here in Alaska, is very rare, & was attributed to unawarness, or ignorance...the woman who was attacked was on the outskirts of town, runnin' & I believe usin' an iPod. There were warnings, she ignored them. Anything running will certainly get a wolf's or a dogs attention...naturally instinctive to attack somethin' movin' (if it moves, it's food, if it's food, we need to eat it!) Had she been walkin' & not had her iPod on, she'd probably scared the pack that attacked her...wolves don't like messin' with man, as they know that we're dangerous, more so than they are.

 

[Barred Rocks forever]

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Being the devils advocate and a lover of wolves let me ask you. Are you SURE that it was a wolf that killed your calf and/or cow? Are you SURE that the wounds and damage inflicted were in fact a wolf bite and not a domestic dog or ferel pack of coyotes or dogs? It is very easy to confuse a dog kill or coyote kill with a wolf, similar wounds inflicted on the carcass.

Your right, you have to feed your family and make a living...however, to blame a potentially innocent animal based on an assumption or ignorance and fear, is wrong on your part. To do so causes more fear, more worry, and more hysteria in the general population, all of which the wolves in any area do not need. When someone needs to blame something because they do not know, it is easy to blame the wolf and use it as your scape goat.

It has been proven that a healthy mature adult wolf WILL NOT get close to humans, they will not go after young stock or yard animals. The Wolves' diet of choice consists of deer, moose, caribou, elk, bison, musk-oxen and beaver. They have been know to survive on voles and mice if need be.

Go here if you wish to educate yourself, http://www.facts-about.org.uk/animals-wolves.htm

i dont want this to get locked please dont start a argument this thread may be helpful in the future

 

[CATRAY44]

Here is a good website with lots of info on wolves and how they kill...

http://www.saveelk.com/

 

[Wolfwoman]

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That, is a website with a lot of EXTREME info, yes it shows how wolves kill but a lot of the rest is a good bit of dramatization, just like the OTHER group that wants to save all the wolves. A little middle ground would be nice.

 

[centrarchid]

I think the general rule of thumb when using LGD to control depredation by wolves is to make it so you have at least as many LGD as you have wolves going after livestock. The livestock has to cooperate and not run from protection of LGD's. The OP may not have enough livestock to justify the cost of the needed LGD's.

I was not aware reintroductions of grey wolves in the lower 48 states is ongoing.

 

[Imp]

Fascinating thread. I don't really have much of an opinion of the topics presented, just a couple observations.

There were wolves in the Cascades, here in Washington, as far south as the Seattle area, back in the early 90's. Saw them myself, when I was hunting.

And at least 1 wolf will walk up to people. Had one walk up on my running car in the Canadian Yukon, back in 1980, at night. It was close enough to lean over the hood of the car and look through the windshield at my passenger and myself. I quickly shut my door.

Imp

ETA-realized I posted wrong date.

 

[CATRAY44]

I don't happen to think the website is extreme. There is a lot of well researched information there. Also, a great article on the way wolves learn. Look around on it. The pictures are gross, but they are also true.

Stepping out of this now, just posted the website for any wanting more information. We would all like to think we can "just be nice to the wolf and wolf will be nice to us" but I don't think that is how it is, if you have livestock, etc.