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Wynette- the winning roo, the shank picture you posted, what did he look like otherwise? Not too dark? Enough copper? Math- I think the roo's head is a bit narrow, crowheaded? Maybe the photo or my monitor is off, but isn't that roo really red vs. copper?

I was going to say just the other side. If you have a chick (like that "splash" one in the previous page) with SO much white, you are probably going to get a very dark, overmelanized chick. I don't think that chick is a splash, it's an BC that will be completely black if it's a hen (unless it...

Hi Pink! Yes Don I think for a good breeder it can be both a science and an art. For some more one than the other. I recall having this conversation before. You're right, in some lines that are heavily line bred for a long time in a closed flock, the birds will be genetically and physically...

Just so everyone knows, a single mating does not result in offspring that are genetically identical. Siblings are not clones of each other. Each chick gets half of each parent's genes... for the most part randomly. Genes are in pairs (except the sex linked ones) in each parent, say like...

Thanks for thinking of us. Yeah, it's just that time of year. I was never this sick when I lived in California. I got sick like once every 2 years. Here it's practically all winter long, something's wrong with someone in the family. Sickness has a way of turning the household upside down...

Pink wrote: Who knew I would fall head over heels for the BLR Wy's? How could anyone who's followed your posts at all NOT know you'd fall head over heels for something blue and feathered? Hey Pink, and other Marans folks. Sorry for the long hiatus. LOOOONG cold winter here, and lots...

Those blues are almost as big as Orpingtons!

Quote: thanks!!! did I miss a post from VC yesterday regarding info. about the carnation comb discussion???? we have been fighting colds and flu here this past week, finally got our heat back up and running on Wed with our new furnance so I might have missed something on it. Today my one...

I don't see the shafting - the copper on his chest feathers is in the right place- along the edges. I see the light areas in the shoulders. Yes, that's a fantastic comb. I had a bresse roo that I lost in the fire, he had a comb like that - sort of thin and looked like it was cut with large...

Quote: big smudge of white on head - cockerel small dot on head - pullet

I saw you on there... I thought yea! She took the plunge! I remember that pic... in the back of a pickup isnt' it? Yeah, but your boy has like double the light hackle of his grandfather and a much cleaner breast. Your guy's color looks a lot like that picture Wieslaw posted that looks like some...

There is a thread specifically for black copper Marans here There is another thread for discussing the BC Marans Standard of Perfection (SOP) here Both threads discuss the standard, potential breeding strategies, what's working, what's not, what pitfalls to avoid, faults you may easily...

Quote: Hey... we made cinnamon rolls this morning too! My wife asked for them, so I think we may have just started a tradition too. Stinkin' power company had the whole village without power from 1-4 pm, prime cooking time. Merry Christmas! But it came on in time to finish the ham and even...

By the way, Merry Christmas, all my fellow chicken and Marans lovers. It's present wrapping time here.

Quote: Pink ~ I wonder if he carries a white gene of some kind?? Would that be a recessive white? I know the white gene will mask underlaying colors, but then maybe it would be a single dose of dominant white?? I get cornfused... I think I'd be more interested to see what color he produces...

No, you were right, overmelanized means too much black. But in most pure BC the overmelanization is in an overblack hackle, particularly in hens, and black on the top of the head, which usually indicates the presence of melanotic. Yours probably is overmelanized, but she has white in the wrong...

GS and Pyle are both e+ based. How do you get a correctly colored BTB if they are supposed to be wheaten based? From what I understand BTB is Wheaten + Db or Co? plus red enhancers. Are you able to get the right wing markings and no black in the hackle with an e+ based bird? Quote: Karen...

Quote: The white in the breast would suggest they are not overmelanized, but rather birchens with wheaten or something else. That triangle of black the chin almost looks like they could have Ameraucana or something with the beard gene. Folks here call that white pattern "shafting". It's...

Quote: It would have to be one of the really big shows - I've seen some "winning" pictures from some shows, and I wouldn't use those photos to illustrate the SOP.

Quote: Interesting thing I read about rooster weight on an Austrian guy's website who breeds HUGE brahmas. He said that he doesn't weigh his roosters until after they've been in a breeding pen with hens for awhile. He says they gain significant weight after not being with the other...