Marans Thread - breed discussion & pictures are welcome!

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Hi,
I see a lot of buff colored BTB around. Studied the genetic formula a lot and should be much darker. They say breed like New Hampshire in the Standard but many I have seen look like they have been bred to a lighter classic buff color.. I think there's some basic misunderstanding about exactly what hue "buff" the standard is talking about. I can take pics tomorrow, weather permitting. These girls are nice because they have a good dose of the Mh which makes that nice dark New Hampshire color. Their sire was a GS out of parents, neither of which were GS. The dam of these pullets was GS. I suspect the the parents of the sire of these chicks was the product of a BTB ...bred to a GS(whose parents were White Pyle and/or GS Marans.) So to cement this nice dark color, I need a male who is very dark.
Best,
Karen

Karen,

By GS, I assume you are refering to a Golden Salmon?? I've seen quite a few birds that looked like a BTB, but what they were in actuality, were sports or overly red BCMs. What breed is the "White Pyle" coming from?? This sounds scary to me; we don't have the BCMs breeding true to type/color yet, but all of these different colors are being added, and many still don't amount to anything more than "projects". The problems we are now seeing in the combs of Marans that were crosses with the Penedesenca breed are telltale of that debaucle.

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Good Day Debbi,
You assume correctly. There is nothing to fear here. Actually, it's rather exciting. The White Pyle marans are not an accidental sport. They come come out of an extended formal breeding program in Florida which is producing quality results. . There are no Black Coppers involved on either side of my BTB pullets pedigrees. There is Golden Salmon, BTB, and ( I suspect,but have no proof) White Pyle. I don't mind if White Pyle is involved, it's not a problem and at least 2 generations removed from my pullets.
Basically what I have here is an exciting new origin for BTB genetics. Their gene pool is so small in BTB, a new source for their genetics which doesn't include BC is very exciting. Esp. since the pullets have the coveted Mh gene. ( or perhaps it's lack of Co; or both lack of Co and presence of Mh).
And it's not just me. From talking to other folk recently who also got GS eggs from Zullo, they're experiencing the similiar hatching results, i.e. Mismarked males and lovely BTB females. (BTB females seem to be 25% of the hatch). In my case, 25% BTB females and 75% mismarked males.
Best Regards,
Karen
 
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evening everyone! I'm almost done with this crazy day of getting ready for company. Did my last load of laundry, swept and mopped and now I just have to clean the shower and then...well...use it. I feel disgusting after being on my feet since 7 this morning working and cleaning. But...family should be here in about 2 hours or so!

Hey Kim...got any more of those gorgeous blue ladies running about like the one you posted?

Debbi...I know I owe you a PM....gotta finish up a few things and then I'll be ready to relax for sure!!

OH...also ladies..I still have to get pics of Gigantor. I don't have time off til after tomorrow...so hoping sometime this weekend if possible.
 
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Karen,

By GS, I assume you are refering to a Golden Salmon?? I've seen quite a few birds that looked like a BTB, but what they were in actuality, were sports or overly red BCMs. What breed is the "White Pyle" coming from?? This sounds scary to me; we don't have the BCMs breeding true to type/color yet, but all of these different colors are being added, and many still don't amount to anything more than "projects". The problems we are now seeing in the combs of Marans that were crosses with the Penedesenca breed are telltale of that debaucle.

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Good Day Debbi,
You assume correctly. There is nothing to fear here. Actually, it's rather exciting. The White Pyle marans are not an accidental sport. They come come out of an extended formal breeding program in Florida which is producing quality results. . There are no Black Coppers involved on either side of my BTB pullets pedigrees. There is Golden Salmon, BTB, and ( I suspect,but have no proof) White Pyle. I don't mind if White Pyle is involved, it's not a problem and at least 2 generations removed from my pullets.
Basically what I have here is an exciting new origin for BTB genetics. Their gene pool is so small in BTB, a new source for their genetics which doesn't include BC is very exciting. Esp. since the pullets have the coveted Mh gene. ( or perhaps it's lack of Co; or both lack of Co and presence of Mh).
And it's not just me. From talking to other folk recently who also got GS eggs from Zullo, they're experiencing the similiar hatching results, i.e. Mismarked males and lovely BTB females. (BTB females seem to be 25% of the hatch). In my case, 25% BTB females and 75% mismarked males.
Best Regards,
Karen

Karen~ Could you share pictures of your birds with us?
 
I have a picture of two hens(sisters) there is a third but she chose not to participate in the photo shoot. I buddy from my local feed store called and said he had 3 marans that his customer gave to him, and of course, he called me. I have had them for a while with my Cuckoos to verify the egg color and its darker than my Cuckoo's eggs. (Which, really, isnt saying much) Anyway, my question is, could these girls be over-melonized Birchens?


BirchenHens.jpg
 
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The white in the breast would suggest they are not overmelanized, but rather birchens with wheaten or something else. That triangle of black the chin almost looks like they could have Ameraucana or something with the beard gene.

Folks here call that white pattern "shafting". It's usually an indicator of a cross.
 
GS and Pyle are both e+ based. How do you get a correctly colored BTB if they are supposed to be wheaten based?
From what I understand BTB is Wheaten + Db or Co? plus red enhancers. Are you able to get the right wing markings and no black in the hackle with an e+ based bird?

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Karen,

By GS, I assume you are refering to a Golden Salmon?? I've seen quite a few birds that looked like a BTB, but what they were in actuality, were sports or overly red BCMs. What breed is the "White Pyle" coming from?? This sounds scary to me; we don't have the BCMs breeding true to type/color yet, but all of these different colors are being added, and many still don't amount to anything more than "projects". The problems we are now seeing in the combs of Marans that were crosses with the Penedesenca breed are telltale of that debaucle.

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Good Day Debbi,
You assume correctly. There is nothing to fear here. Actually, it's rather exciting. The White Pyle marans are not an accidental sport. They come come out of an extended formal breeding program in Florida which is producing quality results. . There are no Black Coppers involved on either side of my BTB pullets pedigrees. There is Golden Salmon, BTB, and ( I suspect,but have no proof) White Pyle. I don't mind if White Pyle is involved, it's not a problem and at least 2 generations removed from my pullets.
Basically what I have here is an exciting new origin for BTB genetics. Their gene pool is so small in BTB, a new source for their genetics which doesn't include BC is very exciting. Esp. since the pullets have the coveted Mh gene. ( or perhaps it's lack of Co; or both lack of Co and presence of Mh).
And it's not just me. From talking to other folk recently who also got GS eggs from Zullo, they're experiencing the similiar hatching results, i.e. Mismarked males and lovely BTB females. (BTB females seem to be 25% of the hatch). In my case, 25% BTB females and 75% mismarked males.
Best Regards,
Karen
 
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I wish you were closer I have 2 from a hatch that are too dark not from Connie (I have a few of her Salmons and they are very nice......) They are just starting to lay nice dark eggs but I'm going to use them with my Goldens to help egg color.
 
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I wish you were closer I have 2 from a hatch that are too dark not from Connie (I have a few of her Salmons and they are very nice......) They are just starting to lay nice dark eggs but I'm going to use them with my Goldens to help egg color.

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Hi Lotapaints,
That's really interesting! What is their color heritage? Are they sports from BC or do they come from Wh or from e+ heritage?
Thanks, Karen
 
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The white in the breast would suggest they are not overmelanized, but rather birchens with wheaten or something else. That triangle of black the chin almost looks like they could have Ameraucana or something with the beard gene.

Folks here call that white pattern "shafting". It's usually an indicator of a cross.

VC~

Glad you caught my post. I hadn't notice the triangle looking pattern under the chin on that girl. I will look at them closer in the next day to determine if its feathering or the angle of the pictures.

So that I am using the correct terminology; Overmelenized refers to more of the (coppery or silver) color hackle feathering? What term is used for under colored feathering? Or in this case, mostly black?

Thanks again,
 

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