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Hi,
I see a lot of buff colored BTB around. Studied the genetic formula a lot and should be much darker. They say breed like New Hampshire in the Standard but many I have seen look like they have been bred to a lighter classic buff color.. I think there's some basic misunderstanding about exactly what hue "buff" the standard is talking about. I can take pics tomorrow, weather permitting. These girls are nice because they have a good dose of the Mh which makes that nice dark New Hampshire color. Their sire was a GS out of parents, neither of which were GS. The dam of these pullets was GS. I suspect the the parents of the sire of these chicks was the product of a BTB ...bred to a GS(whose parents were White Pyle and/or GS Marans.) So to cement this nice dark color, I need a male who is very dark.
Best,
Karen
Karen,
By GS, I assume you are refering to a Golden Salmon?? I've seen quite a few birds that looked like a BTB, but what they were in actuality, were sports or overly red BCMs. What breed is the "White Pyle" coming from?? This sounds scary to me; we don't have the BCMs breeding true to type/color yet, but all of these different colors are being added, and many still don't amount to anything more than "projects". The problems we are now seeing in the combs of Marans that were crosses with the Penedesenca breed are telltale of that debaucle.
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Good Day Debbi,
You assume correctly. There is nothing to fear here. Actually, it's rather exciting. The White Pyle marans are not an accidental sport. They come come out of an extended formal breeding program in Florida which is producing quality results. . There are no Black Coppers involved on either side of my BTB pullets pedigrees. There is Golden Salmon, BTB, and ( I suspect,but have no proof) White Pyle. I don't mind if White Pyle is involved, it's not a problem and at least 2 generations removed from my pullets.
Basically what I have here is an exciting new origin for BTB genetics. Their gene pool is so small in BTB, a new source for their genetics which doesn't include BC is very exciting. Esp. since the pullets have the coveted Mh gene. ( or perhaps it's lack of Co; or both lack of Co and presence of Mh).
And it's not just me. From talking to other folk recently who also got GS eggs from Zullo, they're experiencing the similiar hatching results, i.e. Mismarked males and lovely BTB females. (BTB females seem to be 25% of the hatch). In my case, 25% BTB females and 75% mismarked males.
Best Regards,
Karen
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Hi,
I see a lot of buff colored BTB around. Studied the genetic formula a lot and should be much darker. They say breed like New Hampshire in the Standard but many I have seen look like they have been bred to a lighter classic buff color.. I think there's some basic misunderstanding about exactly what hue "buff" the standard is talking about. I can take pics tomorrow, weather permitting. These girls are nice because they have a good dose of the Mh which makes that nice dark New Hampshire color. Their sire was a GS out of parents, neither of which were GS. The dam of these pullets was GS. I suspect the the parents of the sire of these chicks was the product of a BTB ...bred to a GS(whose parents were White Pyle and/or GS Marans.) So to cement this nice dark color, I need a male who is very dark.
Best,
Karen
Karen,
By GS, I assume you are refering to a Golden Salmon?? I've seen quite a few birds that looked like a BTB, but what they were in actuality, were sports or overly red BCMs. What breed is the "White Pyle" coming from?? This sounds scary to me; we don't have the BCMs breeding true to type/color yet, but all of these different colors are being added, and many still don't amount to anything more than "projects". The problems we are now seeing in the combs of Marans that were crosses with the Penedesenca breed are telltale of that debaucle.
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Good Day Debbi,
You assume correctly. There is nothing to fear here. Actually, it's rather exciting. The White Pyle marans are not an accidental sport. They come come out of an extended formal breeding program in Florida which is producing quality results. . There are no Black Coppers involved on either side of my BTB pullets pedigrees. There is Golden Salmon, BTB, and ( I suspect,but have no proof) White Pyle. I don't mind if White Pyle is involved, it's not a problem and at least 2 generations removed from my pullets.
Basically what I have here is an exciting new origin for BTB genetics. Their gene pool is so small in BTB, a new source for their genetics which doesn't include BC is very exciting. Esp. since the pullets have the coveted Mh gene. ( or perhaps it's lack of Co; or both lack of Co and presence of Mh).
And it's not just me. From talking to other folk recently who also got GS eggs from Zullo, they're experiencing the similiar hatching results, i.e. Mismarked males and lovely BTB females. (BTB females seem to be 25% of the hatch). In my case, 25% BTB females and 75% mismarked males.
Best Regards,
Karen
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