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I wish I could say I understood more about the genetics of my birds after this hatch, but if anything it is the opposite.

I got four "normal" charcoals, two I would call charcoal rosettas that look like his siblings, and that sandy thing from my avatar bird. Beats me.

His sister, my charcoal rosetta female, threw a dilute pharoah thing I've never seen before.

The roux male I'm about to cull threw a roux pullet with my blue italian hen, which theoretically means she must ALSO carry it somehow.

The males do all seem to be silver and females blue, but there's also at least two distinct shades of silver in my young males, one much sandier and one much more of a steel blue.

That silver and italian somehow threw a pearl. If he is actually a pearl, why didn't he just dilute to become a snowie?

I have had a hunch for a while there are at least two different genes behind the black patterning on pearls - one genetically the same as the italians and one different. Does that confirm it?

One of my older hens that I thought was a falb fee I think is actually a lavender. There are so few photos to compare to and I'd never seen the color in person before! That or a homozygous falb fee? It's an incomplete dominant theoretically. Who knows. I got another one in the newer hatch.

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Genetics in Japanese quail is so difficult because so many people have crossed everything with every conceivable color variant available, and not kept good records.
So there's no telling what you might or might not get, even with a 'normal' phenotypical looking Pharoah quail.
That's my theory, and I'm sticking to it! ;)
 
Genetics in Japanese quail is so difficult because so many people have crossed everything with every conceivable color variant available, and not kept good records.
So there's no telling what you might or might not get, even with a 'normal' phenotypical looking Pharoah quail.
That's my theory, and I'm sticking to it! ;)
Thank you for giving me permission to stop fretting about understanding the previous 1,642,469 posts... or at least all the posts since last night that I just skimmed because I was getting dizzy.
 
This thing is getting CROWDED with both batches in there!

I have to stop complaining about my kind-of pearl. He is in the middle of both pics here surrounded by true golden siblings and he is actually pretty good :D I really wish I hadn't lost track of the parents but I'm 90% sure he is from my silver x italian pair. The roo is from a bloodline riddled with pearls; he must be masking something, and the female is from a local flock. @Sara L if you still want eggs next week too those would be the parents of half of them, and one of the little juvenile males is from each of those bloodlines, basically, so there's a *chance* you might get some too!

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A few of the biggest juveniles are already past the jumpy learning to fly stage and were picking on the newest little ones in the group so they got pulled back into the regular breeding cages. Most of the older ones in this batch or keepers so it was a better chance to show them off, too :D Plus, I try to give the ones destined for the freezer the most time in the big nice space....(Sorry for the poop, this thing's due for a scrubbing post quail-baby-horde). There's two falb fee (one curly), a roux dilute, lavender (I think) and two of my charcoal babies (one the big sandy dusky dilute one).
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Your batch looks like mine. I’m loving the fluffy looking browns. They kinda look frizzled to me. Am I imagining that?
 
Thank you for giving me permission to stop fretting about understanding the previous 1,642,469 posts... or at least all the posts since last night that I just skimmed because I was getting dizzy.
:gig:gignobody needs my permission, I'm not a ruler!
 
Genetics in Japanese quail is so difficult because so many people have crossed everything with every conceivable color variant available, and not kept good records.
So there's no telling what you might or might not get, even with a 'normal' phenotypical looking Pharoah quail.
That's my theory, and I'm sticking to it! ;)

Oh yeah, no, this is 1000% correct. And there are HUNDREDS of initial base genes to start before you even combine them. :eek:

Having birds from so many sources is great for genetic stability! Not so much for knowing what you'll get.

I am frustrated by my lack of space to experiment with all of these colors. If I could swing it they'd all have pharoah mates to see what they threw and slowly start isolating traits.

I think my main breeding cages will be full of my nicest birds, and I will use my little '''bachelor bins" for color experiments.

I have this stupid little charcoal rosetta male I'd cull in any other circumstances but he's MARBLED and I want to know HOW and WHY. :barnie
 
Your batch looks like mine. I’m loving the fluffy looking browns. They kinda look frizzled to me. Am I imagining that?

I think it's an optical illusion with most of them (esp the ones that are kind of laced), but I do have one "frizzle"! Kind of. It's pretty mild but it's been noticeable since she's fledged. Pretty sure she's got the "curly" gene.

It's the one closest to the camera in this shot. Kind of looks like she just ruffled her feathers but they just stay that way. Was WAY obvious mid-molt, she had weird little extra wings popping up off her shoulders.
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