Aaaargh! Dog breeders!

[carolinagirl58]

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A congenital deformity is not necessarily genetic. I'd be asking his breeder if this is something that shows up in the line on a regular basis, and basing my decision off of that.

http://www.aboutgermanshepherddog.com/page.php?page_id=45

Insufficient ear cartilage is genetic in German Shepherd Dogs. It's considered a serious and disqualifying fault and dogs with such defect should not be bred, no matter how nice they are.

 

[r4eboxer]

I just went through the same thing trying to find Great Pyrenees. I found a good breeder of quality show dogs and decided to walk away from her because she wanted enormous fees for the dog and then wanted to control me and my newly purchased dog. She wanted her cake and to be able to eat it too.

In the past few months the "show ring" has left a bad taste in my mouth. I don't believe purchasing a dog from someone who shows them gives anyone any guarantee that the dog will be healthy and as pointed out previously in this thread the chances of inbreeding are greater, hence greater change of genetic malfunction.

I am now asking myself what these show breeders are really doing for the breed. They are not allowing puppies they send out to be bred but low and behold if they want to produce 6 (as mentioned earlier) litters from ONE female dog at their own hand "well that is different than irresponsible breeders" How is it any different? Not all the pups will meet confirmation, many times none of the pups are show quality and they send them off as pets asking EXTREMELY high prices for a pup that they don’t feel are up to standard. Why are they charging these outrageous prices for a dog that does not conform? Not to mention they are selling LGD's and other dogs that have no business in an apartment in the city (as pointed out earlier), as a family pet etc. The dogs we are talking about here take enormous effort on the part of the owner to train and keep from boredom.

It is so they can continue the HOBBY they have enjoyed for themselves, not the poor animal they are carting around. This is the epitome of irresponsibility!! Why are they producing those litters? Not to be used as they were meant to be used, NO, HEAVEN forbid if their working dog actually works and gets the coat all messed up! They are breeding the dog to prance around a show ring for heavens sake. I have more respect for a person who produces puppies to actually be used for what was intended. A show ring is so beneath them.

Most of the time their dogs are left in cages between shows so the dogs are kept in pristine condition. IMHO this is no better than dogs being crated by irresponsible breeders. IT seems the breeders are out for the human condition and not the canine.

I can guarantee that the dogs I got from a farm with working parents will do a better job than the dog the breeder had in mind for me. The main reason is this breeder was going to sell me a 6 month old puppy for guard. If she was really interested in helping me in my situation she would have known that I would need a younger pup to bond to my livestock. It was my responsibility to do the research and find what I needed.

OP, you will find the dog that is right for you and on your terms in time, don't give up. It took me a while but I found what I needed for my situation.

 

[dainerra]

A previous poster mentioned Copper Marions (spelling) so I will use them as an example.

You've been working for several years to improve your stockm. You are now known for your birds. They have deep color to their eggs; the birds are healthy and good reliable layers. Someone approaches you to buy a breeding trio and you sell them a fine rooster and two hens.
By the next summer, you notice that not as many people are buying your hatching eggs are showing interest in your birds. You do some checking and see an ad for hatching eggs from your stock. You go to the farm and see your trio. But the farmer has put your carefully selected pullets with a roo from craigs list and your roo with some pullets he got at the feed store.

Do yu just shrug and say that's his right? Or do you vow to be more strict in who you sell to?

 

[Glenmar]

When we were breeding and showing Norfolk Terriers and Miniature Schnauzers no one was able to get a dog without a limited registration.
This is to protect the breeds as well as the bloodlines that the breeders spent years working on. I dont' blame those breeders.

 

[Glenmar]

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Six litters out of one female???

6 LITTERS!!! We only bred each of ours maybe 3 times.

 

[Glenmar]

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I agree

 

[r4eboxer]

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Limited registration only means a litter from that pup cannot be registered it does not protect the dog from being bred. Unless these breeders are physically going and checking the privates of puppies that are sold there is no way to ensure they are not bred. Limited registration in no way protects bloodlines. What it protects is the breeders pocketbook and keeps her or him in business. A puppy cannot be altered until at least 6 months. Look in the ads and online, most puppies are advertised ready to go by 6-8 weeks and unaltered with the understanding they will not be bred and like I said before the breeder must then go and physically check.

Then just as a for instance say someone buys one of these puppies, they have a dog that is registered akc that is the same breed ( think puppy mill) so they breed this puppy that is limited registration, then they register that litter under the other dog. Viola the breeders line a have now been bred with no ties to the original breeder. Akc is a joke and so are these so called contracts and clauses. I have to say that a very very large percentage of these show breeders are responsible for a large number of dogs using this limited registration method.

 

[Glenmar]

Responsible breeders would not breed to a dog that had limited registration. That along with screening puppy buyers to weed out the ones that want to breed their pets, are the only way good breeders can protect their breeding. If someone had one of my norfolk females with a limited registration and tried to find a stud dog, no one would allow that female to breed. This is a breed where there are less then 300 registered per year.

 

[r4eboxer]

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They don't need to find a stud dog glen mar, all they need to do is to find a breeder like you, get a female from you get a male from someone like you, throw them together and get a litter every six months. Heck they don't even need akc but they can find fixed akc registered old dogs in the paper for giveaway if they look. Then they can dispose of the akc fixed set and breed your limited registration dogs as akc. Do you really not see how this works in the REAL world we live in, if someone wants a line there are many ways to get it and get it registered to boot. If someone is a responsible breeder what do they want with a dog that has limited registration, that to me is a huge honking red flag. A breeder going after a dog they can do nothing with. As for screening puppy buyers, a questionnaire? Now that is a great way to weed out dishonest people.

 

[Glenmar]

I guess there is a way around everything if you try hard enough. Certian breeds that are not that common like the norfolk and the OPs breed they are looking for would be harder to do that with. Some puppy mills have gotten their hands on some norfolks through imports. All we as good breeders can do is screen the people like crazy.
I have not regretted anyone who got one of my puppies.