Alright, guys.

[aiwetir]

i suppose you could assume that blacks voted for him because he is black, but the black population of the us is around 12%. this is from census counts and voting age hasn't been figured in. if every single black person could vote (counting children) and voted for obama there's still another 40-41% or so of the rest of the u.s. who voted him in. there's another 46% who voted for mccain. in either case it's the same country who voted for W twice

if new black voters swayed the election, then i think it's great that more americans are interested enough to participate in their civic duty to vote. i'll not begrudge anyone their vote especially a group or people who fought and died to get right to vote.

however i have no idea why it's okay for snoop dog to say to vote for obama to put a black man in the white house (well it's ok for anyone to say what they want) but i think it's a real shame it was put in a commercial to get out the vote. have a white man say that about a white man and see what happens...

the vote for obama as well as the congressional votes were a clear referendum against the current administration and it's followers, democracy can be called 'mob rules' and according to the polls 72% of the us disapproves with the bush administration it goes to follow that many of the people in the center will drift left when the current president has such a bad approval rating.

mob rules, did for the last 8 years and the 8 years before that and the 12 years before that.....

 

[PurpleChicken]

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Town of 200? Wow. That's the way to live.

 

[DuckLady]

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Maybe you could research the actual demographic breakdown of voters and the way they voted? I think you might be very surprised. I can assure you that "the majority voted for him because of his color" is inaccurate.

God Bless America!

I wasn't saying that only people of his race were voting for him for that reason.

Don't question me and what I've researched. I dislike it when people assume I'm one to debate something I know nothing of.

Thanks though.

When you post YOUR views in public on a forum specially created for those topics that get all hot and bothered you need to expect that you will get differing opinions. If you make a statement like you did above, you will find that some will wish to have data backup of what you claim, even if it is your opinion.

A member I like and respect very much asked that this thread remain open, but remember, rudeness and dismissal of legitimate questions in an insulting manner will get it locked anyway.

Be careful.

 

[BeardedChick]

Our "town" is 150 but it still took a half hour to vote because of the big rural community. Standing in the 8:00 line chatting it up with all the neighbors has become a tradition that we enjoy...

 

[The Chicken Lady]

It's so easy to put labels on people, and assume, because of the label you stuck on them, that they will act according to some stereotypical pre-conceived notion you have about what people like <<Them>> will or will not do.

For example, I could say that because you're (a) from the South, (b) had a controversial avatar, and (c) that you are complaining about Obama's victory and bringing up race, that (d) you're a certain kind of person. But how can I possibly know that? You're just another person online and I have no idea what kind of experiences or baggage you're carrying around that shapes the way you think. To label you and to estimate your behavior accordingly would be an insult to you, and it would make me a lesser kind of person.

Please throw the narrow-minded ignorance and labels out the window. Yes, there were probably some African Americans who voted for Obama because he is (half) African American, and probably some whites who voted for McCain because he was white. But not "all" of one or the other group voted because of race; in fact, the polls suggest that for the VAST majority of Americans -- Republican AND Democrat -- we're moving beyond the labels to put our focus on the ideas and issues we care about most. It just so happened that the people that liked Obama's ideas outvoted those for McCain's. It happens; it's a democracy and no one should expect to get their way every single time. Democracy requires some compromise.

There were a lot of people of every race, young and old, and of many different religions, who voted for either candidate. Certainly you can stereotype, point fingers and blame whatever <<Them>> you're picking on at the moment all you want, but when it comes down to it, in America, you can't look at a person and say who he or she is going to vote for, and to imply such suggests you need to do some serious self-searching.

 

[rufus]

Well, it seems that the Democrats will have to make good on their promises. Just how they will do that remains to be seen. I can't see how they can provide national health care and not raise taxes.

My health insurance bill is about seven hundred dollars a month. My former employer pays and addition five hundred dollars to the program each month for me. That is twelve hundred dollars a month total.

My wife's premium is just about five hundred dollars a month. I am not sure how much her former employer pays into their system.

That is a lot of money! And now it looks like we are going to have to pay for those people that won't pay for their own coverage.

I am not sure if this is going to work out like they promised. Let's see what they come up with. It is time for them to do their thing. I am afraid that they will find that there is just not a enough money to work it out.

They are going to have to revamp the tax structure and get that forty per cent of people that pay no taxes into a paying situation.
They say they pay their taxes, but when you get to talking to them, they get everything they paid back plus the earned income credit.

The wealthy now pay a disporportionate amount of the taxes. Money and talent move to situations where they are best rewarded. I forsee a huge capital drain from this country in the next four years.

Rufus

 

[Wildsky]

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Town of 200? Wow. That's the way to live.

I love it - if there is no school for the little one and I can get away with making the older one walk - I never have to change out of my PJ"S!!!

 

[debilorrah]

I am worried about a bunch of things. For one, in 2009, all our kids are 19 and over which means I will have to claim S-0 on my W-4 which means I will lose about $350 a month in income. Just to pay taxes on a measly $36,000 salary, even though those kids are still at home because there are no jobs to be had. My fiance's income has already been cut by $800 a month. I think we may have to move to the middle of the desert and live in a tent.

 

[Msbear]

Many of these fraudulent voters could've participated in early voting etc. That whole mess is terrible and I can't believe it wasn't duscussed in more detail. Im not sure how much involvement Obama had with them.

Im in no way saying this is why Obama won. The margin is CLEAR. This is what America wanted.

Also, I don't think Kimmie was saying that only black people voted for him because he was black.... I think she means that many races voted for him because of his race, and his age to show how progressive and cool they can be. I don't think everyone did this... I just think that many youngsters saw him as a very well-spoken person that had a lot of celebrity endorsements and seemed like the right thing to do for our country without doing the research behind it. Many people want to jump on a bandwagon and he and his glory story is something everyone would like to bask in.

As for proof of this demographic issue

I have it. It was on CNN last night. They showed how many people thought race played a part in their decision.. It was a wopping 60% They asked those same people who they voted for and it was....well, we know

Some people assumed his color would be received negatively. That wasn't the case. Someone on another thread said "Get Hip" to those who voted McCain and this is the mindset Im talking about.

Again, not trying to start anything...just wanted to add a few things

 

[buckeye lady]

Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.

Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation, so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.


But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate—we can not consecrate—we can not hallow—this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us—that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion—that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain—that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom—and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.

Abraham Lincoln


I can't say it any better